Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Nope, EMP doesn't harm Trek ships. They are protected by the shield harmonics

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    And EMP's wouldn't harm most rocky planetoids, so what ricochets from asteroids and planets? You ever watch the Matrix? EMP = Electro Magnetic Pulse. No physical damage unless you have electricity coursing through you.
     
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  3. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    I'm not so down in techonological stuff of series i just like it or don't so I believe your word on it that Trek ships would survive an emp blast thanks to there shields. But wouldn't that allso be with SW? I don't know ?

    When you sent a wave throughout space it recoils on impact but as the ships can take it, no futher reply's on that one.

    But still you have wasted all those droids all that debry flying around. you be plenty occupied removing evrything on your path that the second wave of droids attacks. an other emp more debry en so on .....

    Your Emp blast have to be like a bubble because the droids wouldn't just come in a row.

    When are you coming home to defend your people on your planet. and still we haven't lost a single life. and a lot of droids in the making.
     
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  5. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Star Wars shields were never stated to have Shield Harmonics- they were either up or down. They never really went out of phase or any other weird effects.

    As for debris- Trek ships have Navigational Deflectors that take care of this. Granted a Droid is a lil bigger than your average space dust, but compared to a starship's deflector array (which is about three times the diameter of the bridge for the Enterprise-E anyway) it shouldn't be a big problem.

    EMP Blasts are inherently spherecal.

    EMP doesn't recoil- it's all magnetic. Watch the Matrix for a good example of how it works.

    As for defending our people, no real problem. Transwarp Rifts that allow near-instantaneous travel, slipstream drives, temporal warps, and other such fun things will help with that. Planetary defenses will hold plenty well untill the fleet arrives- remember, Earth is defended by Federation HQ, the biggest, most baddass Starport in the Federation. Triple the power of DS9 and that's probably what FedHQ is like.

    As for droids- Data could probably hack their systems and turn them to our side anyway *shrug*

    Worst case? Release EMP's every few minutes from various ships to keep the droids out of comission. Use Ionic blasts from the Deflector Array to down Wars ships electronics and then simply blast them with Photon and Quantum and TriCobalt torpedos.
     
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  7. Sumoben Registered Member

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    Not to mention the Ocampa, they have powers similar to the Force, possibly even more powerful

    From these Voyager episodes
    Also, the dark side really wouldn't be much of a problem, the Vulcans, yes the Vulcans can pull out the Stone of Gol
    And... since its Universe vs Universe, lets bring the Breen's Energy Dissipator..
     
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  8. temur man of no words Registered Senior Member

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    Well, but SW has lotsof unknown intelligent species and hidden technologies. For example, they have hyperdrive which allows to go faster than light.
     
  9. Sumoben Registered Member

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    Warp Drives goes faster than light..
     
  10. temur man of no words Registered Senior Member

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    Well, but how about Jedi and Sith who are very skilled fighters either in sword or with spaceship battles. Neither automat not any pilots in ST can fly like them!
     
  11. Sumoben Registered Member

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    Notice how most of the time, Star Trek does not use fighter craft (other than in the Dominion War), and how the Klingons are relentless in melee combat, not to mention since when has Star Wars shown any transporter technology? In order to board a Star Trek vessel, you would have to go into the shuttle bay, where the bridge would detect you and vent atmosphere.

    Edit: If not, they would use the transporters and put you into the brig, leaving your weapons in the pattern buffer, or repel your ship with the tractor beam emitter.

    Edit 2: Also notice how Phasers rarely miss their target, no matter how skilled the pilot may be, They might be able to dodge a torpedo, but a phaser and its targeting system can track a fighter easily.

    Edit 3: If the Jedi also try and fight on the ground, ST wouldn't bother going down there, they could just bombard them with torpedo fire or Phaser / Disrupter fire, Also Intrepid class ships are able to enter the atmosphere and fire phasers accurately at targets on the ground, as well as the fact that they can use Stun on ship phasers, as shown in TNG if I remember correctly. Then they can capture the Jedi's and keep them in the brig, With a level 10 force field. With a hologram as a guard with the safety off and a holographic phaser.
     
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  12. temur man of no words Registered Senior Member

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    Of course Sith and Jedi can dodge phaser, maser, laser or anything you shoot at them because they sense it through the force, not just eyes.
     
  13. Sumoben Registered Member

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    Coming from a starship, the beam is inherently larger than a hand held phaser. I don't see how they can run away from it if it his a larger area at a faster speed than they can run. Not to mention torpedoes which would detonate in an even larger area, Its not like they can deflect a phaser or a faster than light speed torpedo with the force.
     
  14. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Don't forget- even hand phasers would be impossibly to dodge. When it is found a beam cannot hit them, they'll set it to emit a few beams in an angular pattern or, if they get really pissed off, set it to level 16 wide beam and OBLITERATE anything within a 60 degree radius in front of the one firing

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  15. Sumoben Registered Member

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    So true, Though that would most likely deplete the phaser, even with the power supply being able to recharge itself...
     
  16. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    According to something Geordi once said:

    At maximum output you will only get 4 two second shots

    I would assume that means the MAX settings, lvl 16 and wide beam. He went on to mention that it's not the power source, but the focusing crystal. At that kind of thruput the crystal degrades from the intense heat. That's why they came up with weapons like the I-Mod and Phaser Rifles.
     
  17. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Actually there are other ways of boarding. The are called Assault shuttles. They fly up to the hull and literally drill and entrance. Not to mention that SW has powersuited storm troopers. Something ST doesn't even have a clue of. Yeah go ahead vent the air, a Space Trooper won't even notice. Go ahead put a force field in the way he'll cut through the bulkhead.....

    Oh and SW has the answer to Klingons they are called Wookies, Noghri, Rodians, and Gamoreans. Wookies and Gamoreans are both immensely strong and extremely tough. Noghri are super martial artists and Rodians are just hunters by nature. There are also other race quite capable of turning the above average Klingon into goo.



    If this was possible it would have been done in Nemesis. Neither ship proved capable and they did have the best crews around. Furthermore how is the target ship going to be capable of such a feat when she has been literally shot apart or shorted out?

    Phasers often miss, both with hand and ship models. But it doesn't matter anyway as Ship phasers could not pierce the shield of the Typical fighter, TIE are an exception as they have no Ray shields.


    Again false information. The Dominion war showed they are not capable of such operations in any extended fashion. They do have ground troops, pitiful excuses for ground troops but they did have to use them. Besides by the time it comes for ground combat the ST navy will be anhilated anyway


    The point is that in a war situation ST does not stand a chance of winning. It just doesn't. It would be like taking a 11th century knight on horse back versus a modern day M1A1 with a vetran crew. Yes the knight is the best of the best of his day, but he would technologically, tactically and strategically out matched.
     
  18. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Keep spewing your shit scott, nobody is listening.

    Phasers wouldn't pierce star wars shields- you are damn right. You don't "pierce" shields, you take them down. And a phaser would do that quite nicely, given your nuclear powerplants maximum (and very limited) output.

    Prove me wrong- give me schematics, give me quotes from the movies. Do not SYNTHETICLY PRODUCE your data!
     
  19. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    As for why they didn't beam the Scimitars crew out- that's because they had their shields up you dummy. Star trek shields, unlike your pathetic excuse for a shield grid, are not normally able to be teleported through. it takes time and expertise to do it, and time was seriously lacking.
     
  20. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Only one Ocampa displayed levels of power anywhere even near Jedi levels and and she is now dead.


    The Vulcans broke up the Stone of Gol and hid the componenets again. The Stone would be no help against a Jedi and honestly Darksiders would probably simply over power it. Besides the Vulcans by choice are Logical, they would look at the invaders conclude that Federation victory is statistically as likely as proving that Jello can be sentient and simply negotiate a surrender with favorable terms.

    Okay noted ST has Fighter level Ion Cannons, not gonna be much help against Capital ships. Besides the weapons worked by using the ships shield harmonics against it, so it is whole unlikely to work against SW vessels.
     
  21. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Ever notice that the six inch thick transparasteel window sits in the middle of a one meter thick hull? Hell you can see the thickness of the Hull in several episodes of ST and it is only 8 inches on the Enterprise-D! So the windows on the normally well shielded and well protected Executor are 3/4 as thick as the Hull of Federation ships, seems to me that you are not so good yourself my friend.


    Oh and thwerwe is a reason for only 6 inch thick transparasteel widows, beyound that you would get distortions. Not good when you are using your eyeballs to suplement scanners. Then again ST can't even do that, if Scanners are tricked they would not know untill too late.
     
  22. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Read up on my facts, the Galaxy class starship only had an estimated range of 18 months before needing to refuel. The DID NOT have the capablity to manufacture Anti-Matter, though they did have Bussard scoops to collect and replenish the Matter stockpile.

    Are you kidding? A nanosecond is all it would take to for a molecule of air to hit the Antimater starting a chain reaction of explosions. Trying to dump it would take far longer, and remember there is dust in space. Truth of the matter is one moments breach of whatever mystical field you have keeping the Antimatter away form mater and the whole supply goes up before the computer could flip the dang switch.
     
  23. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Bullshit, first of all. Majel has a much more class than you ascribe. Some elements of the books have been used in a few shows, but ONLY the Shows and Movies are canon for Star Trek. There is no question of it. That is Law handed down to Paramount by Gene and the like Paramount holds as copyright holder.

    BTW my comment regarding Dune is the only speculation at all. But it does fit with every real fan of Dune feels and states. So kiss my pekanese Elmo, but careful he bites sometimes.
     
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