Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Now i Know your exaggerating. TheWidth of the wormhole was easily visible form several camera nagles and was at best 10 to 20 meter from the top and bottom of the vessel and less than that for the sides. At best we are talking 12 meters. Even given that the camera angles on the Asteroid are not accurate given parallax, meaning without proper scale of the asteroid we have no clue how big it was just from the image. As our view of the photon torpedo would be compromised by light doppler effect, then we can;t use the phon torpedo as a reasonable guide in the worm hole. There is an interesting animation scene where the Weapons station super imposes a Photon torpedo on tot the asteroid, but that scene would make the asteroid much, much smaller than the 50 meters estimate. Finally even a 180 meter Type C asteroid would require far less power to shatter than a 20 meter Type M would need to vaporize.
     
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  3. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Well, then either shields protected the ship or not. Either way there was NO EXPLOSION from the impact, just a cannonball effect.

    Okay, in TPM the debris was much larger than 60cm if it was visible form that range. In ESB there is no debris at all, just rapidly expanding gas clouds. You do realize gaseous metal would have a physical appearance as it spreads and cools.

    20 times harder than diamonds so a hardness of 11.1. You do realize a material can be extremely hard, but still have poor material strength. If it too rigid it can ud up snapping along it crystaline structures at a weak spot if enough load/stress is presented. Since some objects could easily pierce the hull the stress point might be lower than you expect, though I would guess a hundred times what it would take for steel.


    I would advise you to get a college level physics book. Or perhaps have someone more knowledgable talk to you. A radial light source is all fine and good, when it is not moving away form you, and is very close. You see the light source and the illuminated area becuase you receive more of the photons sent out, even on angles slightly divergent from yourself. However when it is moving away you get less and less of those divergent angles.

    Think of it as a device that fires arrows at 360 degres at every degree. While is close to you, many of the arrows have and effect on you and your surrounding, move it out 100 feet and you gets less, move it out and you get even less, untill finally you get only one. The other arrows are fired, they just miss you becuase they are travelling along on their path.
     
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  5. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Super heated metal vapor might glow for a short period, but rapidly cool as energy is spent on motion. It would also appear quite dense for a few moments as it dissipates. Remember you are looking at not even a full second.
     
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  7. Saquist Banned Banned

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    Very logical. I had struggled with how to describe vaporiation in Trek...Cold is a good way to put it. That is a technical ability Star Wars seems to lack. Every thing done on that level requires heat.
     
  8. Hellblade8 Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, the was quoted saying there are three different worlds, and he said which each one consisted of. EU and George's world were not in the same one.

    Or in reality, the fact that Gene didn't own Star Trek...Paramount did and still does. They only kept his method of keeping canon (Ie, what we see onscreen). George on the other hand, OWNS STAR WARS.

    Do try again, and this time try to keep the cheating bullshit out of this, I have not tried to cheat you of anything, and this is simply a personal attack wrapped up in a nice lie.

    Yes, I agree. Provide some evidence to back up your claims, or I shall provide mine to a mod, and then ask him what he thinks.
     
  9. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Read my posts! the bridge didn't blow up.
     
  10. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Watch the movies carefully, it shake the Ecoh base when it hit the ground, that proves it is hitting Ecoh base
     
  11. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Blasters can blow chunks of wall off ( except for durasteel walls in Star Wars or duracete )
     
  12. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Star Wars would just have to keep it's distance and it would win.
     
  13. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Ya it is covered with turbolaser watch Revenge of the Sith carefully. ISD alot bigger then Galaxy-class so it is a easier target.
     
  14. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    http://www.comingsoon.net/news/showestnews.php?id=42983
    Here is the link. Remember Anakin was 9 when they start building the CIS army because they got shut down, the war started when he is 19, so if you are not stupid you can figure it out. Qoute " We got the order 10 years ago, we use growth accleration so it will only take half the time to grow them."-Lama Su ( prime minster of Kamino ) You are making stupid claims, Turbolaser is not only a megaton, it is ALOT more then 1 megaton. If they are travel half way across the galaxy in less then 3 hours ( prove, Attack of the clones, if they arrived later then a couple of hours Obi-Wan and Anakin would of died ) Calculate! I calculated it would only take 2 years to get to a " Galaxy far far away ". Either Star Trek is lying or there is no wormhole outside milkyway.
     
  15. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Do Star Trek have awesome weapons like Lightsabers, lightsabers can melt through ANYTHING except force-fields, vibroblades thats strenghened by Sith Alcemy, or electrostaffs.
     
  16. Flectarn Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    and darth vaders shoulder apparently
     
  17. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Darth Vader's armor is strenghened by Sith Alcamey, remember Vader is the Chosen One and Sith'ari, it is very possible he blocked it with the force ( force protection ). Federation don't have force sensitives.
     
  18. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Remember Star Wars have alot better pilots like Anakin and Luke Skywalker. Tom Paris is no pilot compared to Anakin Skywalker.
     
  19. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    The Federation is not smart enough to know that they need infantry. Technology is used to support infantry not replace it, they have no tanks like AT-AT, AT-TE, AT-HE.
     
  20. antaran_1979 Registered Senior Member

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    actually laddy, we are both guessing since there is no onscreen confirmation of any kind that involves the "walls" of the wormhole. none what so ever. do you have any idea how much of a 305m can be observed from a 10-20m distance? it can be calculated if we new the viewing angle of the observer (which we don't). if it's say 140 degrees then the lenght visible can be no more then 30m for a 10m distance. 1/10th of the ship?
    and dude do read some actual physics book before posting. do you even know what dopler effect is. do you even know how it manifests on lightsources. light travels with CONSTANT speed no metter what is the speed OR direction of the source. so the dopler effect manifests trough change of wavelanght. in other words if the obhect is heading away the light that iminates from it would be shifted to the red end of the spectre and if the objects is closing in it would have moved thowards the blue end. this is however experienced only at high relativistic speeds that we do nor see here. actualy the ropedo is quite white-bluish from all sides and throughout its vivible trajectory. if it was moving fast enough (from relative aspect) to have visible shifts in wave lenght we could not have detected it by naked eye. or if it accelerated to relativisitic+ speeds that would mean that the asteroid is so far away that it's even larger (several light seconds away-that would make it moon sized).
    you see, right untill this last remarck i thought you actually had some idea of what you are talking about and that other people's remarks on you just throwing away inconsistant statements was simply exagerated. but you seam to lack the knowlidge to grasp some basic concepts (like dopler effect or viewing angles). or maybe you are like Wong. you do have the knowlidge but you only aply it when it suits your purpose?
     
  21. antaran_1979 Registered Senior Member

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    my point exactly. they had the guns and they did not shoot it. it was either to large or to fast or both. either way it does not go to their benefit.
     
  22. antaran_1979 Registered Senior Member

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    actually they are fightnig near the shield generators that are outside the Echo Base. and snow is not made of durasteel or neautronium. the last time i looked it was made fro water. but maybe hoth is much colder so leat us say it's frozen CO2. it's still not anywhere near rock, not to mention armor material.
     
  23. antaran_1979 Registered Senior Member

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    phasers blow up walls

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    now what do you prefer chunks or walls?
     
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