Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. Dontai Registered Senior Member

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    Actully, Q would have forceen this long before the Jedi and the Sith, and disabled their powers. Then federation would then simply go on ship killing spree.

    In the end, luke turns lord vader back to good. Vader then kill emperor. With out the emperor holding empire together it dissolves. Then the old republic is recreated as the New republic. The Enterprise - E rams the scimitar. Federation lives and acource the Galactic empire dies. So, eithor way federation lives and empire dies. Now if mabey the New republic attacks federation, they might win, but eithor way empire is defeated. Federation wins the war aginst empire hand down. See scott, it is cannon the empire looses.

    So, Congratulations Scott you have just lost all your remaining credibility. YAY! Your priize is the ignomy of being known as a thundering moron. Prizes are non transferable.

    Basicly, your saying scott that star war ship have next to no armor. Federation takes being rammed by capital ship on warp nacelles and survives. Star wars ship can't even take weak ass fighter crashing in to the bridge. Give it up your excuses are pointless. No Blast doors? No armor? No bridge guns? Star wars is pathetic at best.





    Wow, more lies and hear say congratulation your proven you have no credibility




    Actually, a bomb release more energy in uncontrol way. Directed energy release less in controlled way. When Directed energy hit a target it does causes small explosion, but but you can compare it to the amount of energy released on single certain point. Drop nuke on a target, then compare it to a lazer blast. Their is similar melting point, burn marks ect. Basicly Turbo lazer have small range of extreme damage amount. Thoe the actual overall effect isn't that powerful.






    More then hafe of the rock mass would be converted to energy on impact, plus the kinetic energy plus mass would desroy hafe of earth on impact. The same affect when bullet hit solid mass of concrete would reduce overall mass by three times. Resulting shock wave would destroy most of what's left. Point is this is pointless and he isn't a moron.You are!

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  3. Dontai Registered Senior Member

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    Your idiot if you think that.

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  5. chance Registered Member

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    I couldn't help but notice that no one mentioned Omega partials. I have no doubt that if the fate of the galaxy depended on it, star fleet would derive it into a weapon to deter the invasion. And if you don't like omega, than maybe genesis. If the fate of the galaxy depended on it they would use any and all resources necessary.


    Also in the ST galaxy, civilizations advanced from lasers and plasma cannons to phasers, implying that the SW galaxy is less advanced if they don't use phasers.
    This might imply that lasers and plasma cannons can have billions times more yield than a phaser, but a phaser might be billions of times more efficient at channeling that energy. so a phaser might not need nearly as much energy to produce the same destructive effect.

    People think that SW ships are much faster than ST ships, they may be right. But if they haven't developed phase technology or Anti-matter technology (not referring to the power output, just the technology), i doubt they would be capable of ships faster than star treks. Maybe their galaxy is smaller or their days are longer.
     
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  7. temur man of no words Registered Senior Member

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    You are just speculating. The truth is SW is much stronger.
     
  8. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    There is a maximum possible energy output to nuclear fusion/fission. Antimatter/matter reactions are nearly limitless because you take a quantity of matter (the matter and antimatter) and completely remove it from existance, leaving behind an ENORMOUS quantity of pure energy. This is in comparison to say fusion or fission (nuclear power or the power of a star) where there is a LOT of wasted material that not only doesn't create power, but actually absorbs some of the power that is created.
     
  9. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    The point is that the fate of the FDederation could have been resolved with a Genisis device on the oncoming Borg cube and despte the fact that the only think between Earth and assimiliation was the Emterprise D and still Feds did not use it.


    Sorry, no dice. No where in Star Trek has any ship shown the same destructive capability as a Star Destroyer. You don't see it even once. Even in Rise, Voyage barely shatters an asteroid made of brittle meinerals.

    Actually their days are 25 roughly, but their galaxy is at least as large as ours, Besides they never said they did not have the technology of Antimatter, they just might have abandoned it for something more efficent and less volatile. After all a reactor that fit inside the Death Star was producing in a day the same amount of energy or sun produces in 7 years. In Star Trek terms it is more powerful than the Omega particles.


    If you are going to make an argument, you should at least have some evidence and not a gut feeling.
     
  10. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    You do have an erroneous statement here. There is a maximum energy output of M/AM reactions. There is also a great deal of overhead in the whole process. You have to keep the AM contain so no matter interacts with it, even gravitons. You have to shield the reaction chamber. You have to convert the energy to a useful form. You have to create more antimatter which takes as much power as you would receive. It's not like it floats around in space or anything. Over all you have what ammounts to just a highly volatile battery system instead of actual power generation.
     
  11. FoolFromHell Photons be Free. Registered Senior Member

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    Sorry. The Federation had VERY LITTLE WARNING before the Wolf 359 or FC wars.
    They will use it if necessary and they have more than a week to get it out of the box.
    They had less than a day's warning, i believe, to the Borg invasions.
     
  12. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    They had a week on Wolf 359 and long enough to gather 24 ships in First Contact. Obviously ifg they had the Genesis Device they had time to hual it out.

    Besides, using the very little warrning line how would they respond to an enemy they can't detect until the ships are within range to start an attack?
     
  13. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    The few thousend of ships in ST against miljons of battle droids. SW casulties wil be high but there woudn't be a single life wasted. And during al that space combat SW troopers can wipe out all life on the planets. In Space they may be equal (In your eyes that is) On the ground we just overrun you.
     
  14. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    That's beside the point- the amount of useful energy provided by a M/AM reaction far exceeds anything a nuclear reactor, or even a supernova reactor, could possibly provide. The only thing that could possibly rival it would be a black hole, and that's because it is, once more, pure matter-> energy conversion. The only thing is it works in reverse.

    Converting the energy to a useful form is easy- Star trek uses energetic plasma, the primary energy released by matter/antimatter (since the reactors in Star Trek use the released energy to super-energize matter bringing it to the verge of becoming energy itself). The plasma is then transfered thru conduits to various parts of the ship. Creating anti-matter is relatively easy given trek-level technology. You simply "flip" hydrogen-2 isotope (deuterium is the real life isotope) through a seven dimensional zero point clean vacuume and then exactly 83.2% of the matter becomes anti-matter and the remaining 16.8% simply disappears- this is according to real scientific theory as is supported by quantum physics. I'll have to see if I can find the books i pulled the numbers from, but it's entirely possible to make antimatter this way in real life, so there is no reason to assume it's not how it's made in star trek. Also, it was stated in series that the bussard collectors collect nuclear particles in space for use in the emergency fission reactors which are used to help generate and resupply the supply of antimatter in case it has to be dumped- most starships, however, contain enough matter and antimatter for their entire deployment (for example, the Ent-D could hold enough for a 10 year voyage without resupply provided they didn't have to dump it for any reason)
     
  15. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Battle droids? Droideckas? easy to solve- big ass EMP. Bye bye cybernetic brains! All the droids in Wars are useless. Even many of the ships would be disabled by an EMP pulse (since they are vulnerable to Ion cannons, which basicly, upon impact, EMP's the internals of the ship)
     
  16. chance Registered Member

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    good point, just put a emp weapon on a torpedo, and as people have pointed out, mater can go through sw shields.

    They also could use baryon sweep from the deflector, i have no doubts that the deflector could emit baryon partials. And if the deflector did, they're able to penetrate the hull and and kill any organic matter.
     
  17. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    They could also use the deflector to channel laser energy back at the star wars ships. They could also use it to send a powerful harmonic pulse to disrupt the neural pathways of the people inside the ships (something that doesn't work against star trek ships thanks to shield harmonics

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    They could also use the Gemini effect to make shadow illusions of their vessels. Holographic projections and signature changes to appear to be the enemy vessels. Special operations soliders to infiltrate and takeover enemy vessels. A number of things.
     
  18. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    The ST universe would kick the Trade Feds, Republic, Sith, empire whatever. There is nothing like the combined might of Klingon Cloaks, Romulan Intel,dominion Ground Forces (Jem'Hadar) Fed sensors (and resourcefulness) and determination of the entire milky way.
    If we talk universe on universe, ST would win because BOTH the borg and Starfleet can adapt, just one quicker than the other.
    I'd Like to see Drones adapt as quickly or the Sith.
    Plus, the federation has unity within starfleet the only time they fought against their own was when those dammn parasites took over.
    Also , Who needs to destroy a planet when you've got the Borg ?
     
  19. Dontai Registered Senior Member

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    Finally, some one with commen sense. I already said why star trek will win in top of this page so not going to argue. Btw one Star wars ship tooken over by the borg and war is lost. Don't try denying it. Once your crew is force to work for the borg, they will tell them all your secrets. How your technology work, how many crew you have on bord, sheild technology the works. Soon your weapons will be useless. You will be all borg. You be one with collective.
     
  20. Saquist Banned Banned

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    I'll confim that Loony nomination....All in favor?

    Try another line Nutty, that really is drying up.


    You got it about right FFH. Scott has been proved a liar on just about every line of reasoning he uses. Trek has been proven the Victor at 6 times what ever firepower Star shows. Everyone knows that the Emprie is sporting 200 nothing it those gus.

    Just remember that the Galaxy out preformed the ISD in just about every important test. Firepower, sublight speed, manuverability, Range, targeting accuracy.

    Also remeber that Defiant (well into production to daye) is about or more than 10x powerful in the firepower department.
     
  21. Dontai Registered Senior Member

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    The truth is your just speculating. Strong to you, mabey, but not to star trek. Useless is more like it.
     
  22. Fungezoid Banned Banned

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    Ever heard of Dune?

    Dune barely enters into these equasions, because so few people have actually READ the books, not the **** movie. Dune shields do not rely on deflectors or energy, they rely on spacetime manipulation. A small Dune shield with only a 5-pound battery can take up to 4 minutes of constant fire, no matter how powerful the fire is. A Dune personal shield would be able to withstand a friggin Death Star! And what about the Dune superweapon, Omnius's hidden ace in the hole? Oh, and by the way, Omnius's literally trillions of combat droids are invincible to as you say, a bigass EMP due to their unconventional gelcircutry and their personal shields. And with a robotic ship with Leauge shields and scramblers, Cymek commanders and miniships, and Omnius's robots and high-energy explosives and weapons? And no ST or SW commander could even possibly equal the brilliance of someone like Vorian Atreides, Paul Muad-Dib, and even the greatest of them all, the three greats? Juno, Tlaloc, Hecate, and even General Agamemnon? No way. And think of Muad' Dib's powers. Some ass like the Jedi of the Sith, or even Q couldn't even hope to stand up. Also, what about the Rossak sorceresses, and the Bene Gesserit? Paul's trillions of mad Atreidies Jihadis?
    Suck that.
     
  23. Saquist Banned Banned

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    You're saying that that Q couldn't defeat Muad' Dib's powers...

    what was he?
     
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