Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    I would challenge that - I'd love to see them survive a blast of Thalaron Radiation

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    Anything organic in it's path turns to dust

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  3. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Yah but A i doubt the rate of fire on that weapon is useful at all. And two, I'd seriously doubt that they would fire the weapon on their own ship when they get boarded. And three, i also doubt that the weapon shoots in anything other than a straight line.
     
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  5. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Worse comes to worse, the necrons would blow it up, they aren't organic. so they are okay.
     
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  7. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    It doesn't matter...

    1) The scimitar is mobile - charge the weapon in warp, come out of warp, fire, and warp away

    2) How'd their ship get boarded when they're far more agile than anything WH40K has shown?

    3) Again, it's agile... if the target moves, it simply turns

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    My point, though, is that Star Trek doesn't need huge planet-sized battlestations to destroy planets

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    We can do it just fine with a single ship

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  8. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    They aren't organic, but they have organic material, correct? That material now turns to dust

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  9. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    No, as far as i hve been told, they are all machine, animated by from what i can gather the soulds of the necrontyr (how souls is defined i don't know, but it is not their original organic brain)
     
  10. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Well for starters, Ships don't go into warp to attack and than run away otherwise theyd do it all the time, so that options out.

    2.) I doubt that ship is more agile than a drop pod, if data could be shot out of the Enterprise by a vacum and hit that ship, so can a drop pod.

    3.) What happens when it is dealing with 60 some odd ships? There is no chance that it's shields would stand that long.

    4.) In case you forgot on screen it took a ton of time for the superweapon to charge up to fire.

    5.) This is all assuming that the ship doesnt get annihalated by the WH40k's weaponry.
     
  11. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    don't really know this wh40k but it sounds cool

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  12. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Avoid at all cost: if only for the sake of your wallet.
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  13. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    it took 15 chapters to destroy the planet/battlestation, do you thinkk ST could stand up to 1,000?
     
  15. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    As for point #5, you have yet to state ANYTHING that even begins to indicate a level of firepower able to penetrate a trek shield... so yeah.
     
  16. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Sure they could. Again, as I said

    1) you have yet to prove they have even a snowballs chance of hitting a Trek ship at high-impulse speeds, much less warp.

    2) You have yet to provide any evidence WH40Ks weapons would have ANY effect on a Star Trek shield... given how bulky and large their armor is, I don't see why their other technology would be more advanced...
     
  17. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Well you have yet to prove that WH40k tech could not penetrate the shields, and that it could not hit a high impulse craft, which really isnt all that difficult with guided missiles that fly a few times faster than said craft.

    And the reason why your trek ships dont pop in and out of warp at every chance theyve got is so easy to explain, jumping into warp requires a crapload of power, so much that if it drops out right after it goes to warp it has little power for weapons or that matter shields.

    Lets pretend that all scifi shields are the same because considering that there is no actual real life physics that would allow us to create a real life shield, all of our arguements with shields are kind of idiotic considering there is no real life standard for shield strength.

    For all you know, the battlebarges shields would be impenetrable to ST weaponry or vice versa. There is really no other proof to the contrary.

    So, can we just assume that the shields are the same strength or that the shields for all intensive purposes are down and there is no shield factor? Because otherwise this is comparing apples to oranges.

    So, from here on in, lets pretend that all Star trek and warhammer STARSHIPS (not infantry) have shields of equal power okay?
     
  18. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    I love how you argue the fact that 95% of WH40k weaponry would miss based off of NOTHING.

    Im sure you would really know that the number is 95%. So what exactly are you basing your bullshit claim off of?

    Well considering that the STANDARD weaponry on a WH40k ship can destroy a planet i think were well off. No ship in ST comes with specialized planet killing weaponry STANDARD theres only a handful that can, and they cant be at a thousand battles at once.
     
  19. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    If it's any help to one side or the other (I suspect NOT the pro-40K'ers) when the first edition came out I wrote to Rick Priestly (the main author), pointing out a few errors and his reply was basically: we couldn't care less about scientific or factual errors, all we're interested in getting a game out of it.
    The ONLY consistency they want to maintain is in playability, if that conflicts with ANYTHING else then the "anything else" is knowingly and willingly sacrificed.
     
  20. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    No, I'd not agree to that because 1) it'd be stupid to do so and 2) it's utterly wrong

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  21. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, but tell me... is the average planet moving ALMOST 9/10th the speed of FUCKING LIGHT?

    NO, IT ISN'T! Use your damn brain before you open your gaping howler of a mouth!

    At Impulse, in combat situations, Star Trek ships have shown the ability to exceed .8c (80%) the speed of light, with some reaching 90%! GOOD LUCK hitting that with any sub-relativistic weapon!
     
  22. antaran_1979 Registered Senior Member

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    we are talking both actually. 2 hits in the secondary hull, droped E-E out of warp, 2 shots destroyed each of the DSs

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  23. antaran_1979 Registered Senior Member

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    dude, E-E had no realistic hope of defeating the Scimitar while it was cloacked. the only hope they had was the fact Shinzon wanted Picard alive. c'mon man, 57 RP2 disruptor banks? 20+ photon torpedo launchers? agility of the E-E and 5+ times the size? it's like figting 5 or more warbirds at the same time. even without the fire-while-cloacked thingy it takes a tactical genious to operate/command the E-E and mediocre dudes in charge of the competition. in a free far all no limitation duel the Scimitar could destroy the E-E without the cloack i think, allthough it would largely depend on who gets the first shot. if E-E could get those quatums into the Scimitar first, they might stand achance.
     
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