Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    I never talked about the alliance did i? They can use Trubolasers on the Federation. there is 10 attack cruisers escort they have 30 trubolaser batteries each. nope, the only reason they are bad at anti-fighter in ROTJ is because they are not supossed to fire their trubolasers. The republic will stand forever if it wasn't for Vader, but we are talking about CIS and republic vs all from star trek aren't we? just to tell you that there is 10000 laser cannons in each ISD and 50000 in each crusier.
     
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  3. Saquist Banned Banned

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    I didn't say you talked about the Galactic Alliance.
    However it is the most current progress in Star Wars and they are currently in civil War, again.

    pardon me...but what is CIS?

    And just to tell you the best sources I've seen state 60 to 70 per ISD not 10,000.
     
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  5. Flectarn Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    they were able to track it after installing a tracking device... they couldn't track it through the hyperspace jump normaly.

    the Federation does infact have ground forces
    we just don't see them very often. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/The_Siege_of_AR-558
    http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Nor_the_Battle_to_the_Strong
     
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  7. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Ya, cause hyperspace is too fast to track. well federation ground troops are too weak. lets see the fight aginst 10000 Republic commandos, and 80 jedis. Can Star Trek Real-Time communicate across the galaxy? no! HoloNet can so thats why they never get lost like Federation ships ( ex: Voyager ) and they can get infomation faster than Star Trek via HoloNet and the Force.
     
  8. Saquist Banned Banned

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    Star Wars simply doesn't have faster than light tracking systems. It's never been observed because it's never been needed.
    The Holo Net relay net work that allows them to communicate. During the Vong Invasion it was taken down and the Republic was unable to coordinate there attack and they were forced to use the Falcon and other ships are message couriers for one particular attack that dealt a serious blow to the Vong.

    We've seen that Star Trek is capable of transmiting messages just as far arcoss relay sytems such as that which the Hirogen used..
    The Force isn't a communication net work...its rarely shown empathic abilities and only with family links and nothing more than emotions.
     
  9. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, they still can coordinate it via normal comunications and couriers, that is 1/4 of the diameter of the galaxy. the Vong is Star Wars too lets see Vongs, CIS, and Republic vs all from star trek.
    star trek can't even communicate with Alpha ,beta or gamma qudrant from delta qudrant. You are forgetting the Force-meld that Jania, Jacen, and Anakin perfromed in the Vong war. the Vongs are now living on Zomnama Sekot, because it is the seed of Yuzhaa'tar and Shimmra got killed by luke.
     
  10. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Nope it is currently in the confederation-alliance war, and Darth Cadeas ( Jacen Solo ) is their leader, and the jedi are aginst the alliance. 60-70 are Trubolaser, 10,000 are laser cannons. CIS are the Confederacy of Independent Systems seen in Attack of the Clones. you need update info man. And the Federation are in the Domainian war now. And just to tell you the Alliance won the Vong war.
     
  11. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Federation infantry can't beat 100000 Republic commandos, and 50000 Alpha-ARC troopers. And remember Boba fett's squad that defended the Caluula orbital, and Captian Page's commandos?
     
  12. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Hellblade8 i know Vong war and any thing after Anakin's death is non-canon, you don't have to remind me
     
  13. Saquist Banned Banned

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    Nothing has demonstrated the max or least distance unassisted comm traffice my reach. I find it inconclussive.

    Star Trek Subspace communications unassited would take years to travel the Galaxy and months to pass between distant sectors of the quadrants.

    No I'm not forgetting the Force-meld. It was included in the "close relatives" description. Aside from that the closes is the telepathis link Jacen had with Fergere, the bird like creature and the semi telpathic/empathic link Jaina, Jaged Fell and Kyp Durron developed to attack in successive coordinated attacks against the Dovin Basal defense.

    The Confederation Alliance war is the civil war which I described. It's being covered by the Legacy of the Force saga. Which I haven't felt the need to "update" myself on.

    10,000 laser canons haven't been seen or expressed on the ICS books or any other books that I'm aware of...infact Laser alone hasn't ever been expressed to my knowledge. i'd need to know the source.

    The Federation has moved past the Dominion War.
    And Yes it's obvious that the Yuuzahn Vong war is over that was made evident in The Unifying Force.

    Appropriately that was the worse series from which to speak of Star Wars weapon effectiveness and proved the ICS books a complete Fraud. It doesn't seem any of the Authors felt the need to use it as a source. The Vong were incredibly terristrial in their weapons. It only served to exemplify how weak ISD shields were.
     
  14. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Nope, remember Obi-Wan's transmission to Coruscant from Kamino, that is not via HoloNet, and Obi-Wan's tansmission to tatoinne is unassited by HoloNet. Not just "close relatives " remember Lobacca ,Kyp, and Jania Force-Melded in unifying force. acually read the novle! Ya like if Star Trek can even Commnicate across Qudrants, if they can why can't Voyager. Confederation-Alliance War is not a Cvil war, the Five Worlds never joined the New Republic ( later the galactic alliance ) so that is not a cvil war. you seriously need to read the novles.
    Read the Novel!! techniclly there is 10,000 laser canons, AT-ATs can be put on combat stance and use their lasers, there is 2 heaver laser canon per At-At,and there is 100 At-Ats, and At-Sts can too be loaded on combat stance too, there is 400 At-Sts, there is four laser cannon per TIE and there is 100 TIEs. there is 50 drop ships and each drop ship have 20 laser cannons. ISDs carry light cruiser too, they have alot of laser canons. Read the legacy of the force Fury. the ISD Anakin Solo burned most of Kashyyyk's forest down while in orbit.Read the New Jedi Order series, accully read it. Coralskippers have advanved plasma cannons that can Atomicize a TIE fighter. Capital ships have better plasma than coralskippers ( coralskippers are Vong starfigters ). If it is licienced it is accuact. a ISD can move past an astroide field without serious damage. ISDs are Killometer long not 600 meter long so they subsatin more damage in the astroide field.
     
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  15. Saquist Banned Banned

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    I don't recall the statement "beyond the range of the Holo net in that movie.
    Perhaps you wish to be more specific.

    Lobacca, Kyp, and Jania did not share a actually telepathic link it was empathic based on emotioins. I do not recall words being clearly expressed...but merely presence and sensations.

    As far as the Civil War. The latest book describes the conflict as a civil war on they synapsis. As long as it uses the term "civil war" I will as well.

    Show the passage Skywalker Jedi if you have it. or give the page where it shows such that actual quote "10,000 laser canons." that would make your point more evident.

    If you can't find it I must rely on other sources.
     
  16. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Here is a map of where Kamino is. See the two galaxies orbiting the Star Wars Galaxy? one is Rishi maze, Kamino is one the far side of Rishi maze. " No, it is beyond the Rishi maze." -Dexter

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    thats the map from the jedi archives, so it is not very big.
     
  17. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    I never said i have the Qoute 10,000 laser cannon i said techniclly the ship it self with out any payloads of AT-AT and AT-ST, dropships, crusiers, and Fighters don't have 10,000 laser cannons, read my statement. They did link, qoute " Jag send his love " -kyp linking with Jania. and " After the misson to Myrkr, the Jedi began using the force as to communicate" Luke skywalker talking to himself. In the movie it said " My long range trasmitters are knocked out, we better find Anakin."- Obi Wan talking to R4, if he transmitted via HoloNet he need not long rang transmitters, he need HoloNet transmitters. it is called Civil war because it is also a war between resistance to Jacen Solo and Galactic Alliance.
     
  18. Flectarn Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    "Captain, they are now locking lasers on us."
    "Lasers!?"
    "Yes, sir."
    "Lasers can't even penetrate our navigation shields. Don't they know that?"
    "Regulations do call for yellow alert."
    "Hmm, a very old regulation. Well, make it so Number One. And, reduce speed... drop main shields, as well."
    "May I ask why, sir?"
    "In case we decide to surrender to them, Number One... "

    - Worf, Riker, and Picard
    http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/The_Outrageous_Okona_(episode)

    wouldn't worry too much about those 10,000 lasers anyway
     
  19. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    they are not lasers they are just called laser cannons. they are not even light! they are energy bolts. Do Lasers use Blaster gas? no! you can see in Eposoide 1, that the blaster cannons can break glass not heat it, break it. Laser cannon is just another term for Blaster Cannons.
     
  20. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    you can see that the Republic explored their univers more fully than the Federation. they even have a map of the surrounding galaxies.
     
  21. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    The Galactic Republic goverment and the Jedi order don't have any special shipsfor exploriation except Outbount flight. They don't need ships for it, they use probes are telescopes, they discovered the Vongs with a telescope. Star Trek need ships because their populsion technology is too low.
     
  22. Saquist Banned Banned

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    Your statements are not making sense because of the run on sentences and subject changes in the same paragraph. It is very difficult to decipher you meaning.

    I don't understand what a ships payload has anything to do with weapon emplacements.

    I never read that they were using actual communication. As far as I could tell it was merely sensing of awareness and limited thought transferal nothing truely telapathic.

    I'd have to agree if this is actually a term used in Star Wars instead of TurboLaser, then despite what they look like which could be merely a visual effects illusion then a laser would have no effect against Federation shields.

    Formerly it was understood that Turbo lasers were somesort of hybrid weapon but if thy're using lasers too in this novel then there is no visual effect to go by.

    AT-AT and ST were described as Blaster equipped platforms not lasers. If this is an upgrade from blaster to laser then we can surmize that turbo lasers are some sort of branch family and the weapon ranges are within similar distructive potential, in the area of 3 or 4 magnitudes greater and nothing more.
     
  23. Flectarn Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    realy it would be the other way, you use probes when your propulsion technology is low, like we do today, you use ships when you can go fast, explore and come home for shore leave. they also are just interested in the adventure of exploration, of seeking out new life and new civilization as it were, to go where no man has gone before. moreover they do use telescopes for long range surveying. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Argus_Array
     
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