Star Wars vs Star Trek

Yes, so thats why they use suicidal ships to target the fleet first. Soon as they press the button for it to fire, the affect is instant.

 

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Impulse can be up to .9c... and also, that was a VERY short distance if you remember.

Those levels of radiation interfere with re-assembling the very intricate structure of a person... if you don't care if you can put them back together, they wouldn't care less.

Second point - uh, go back a few pages - or do you have those people blocked when you couldn't beat them in a true debate?

Third - no, it doesn't. Star Trek Neutronium only exists in an immense gravity well with TWO notable exceptions, both of which were astounding. It's mass and density is documented in Trek, and thus we can assume it's weight - unless Han was on a 99.999999% weightless moon, he could NEVER pick it up. The debris cloud clears plenty fast enough you callous liar, as anyone with the DVD and the brains to do a frame-by-frame could see.

And yes, ARMORED SHIPS have torn thru UNARMORED ships with ease, no surprise. The Galaxy Class starship does NOT have Ablative Armor... the Bugships from Dom Wars were DESIGNED to ram, hence why they do it so damned often. It helps that shields were useless and thus not even online, making it easier still to penetrate. Now, try such a tactic against a Sovereign class and you'd have one of three scenarios:

BugShip exploads in a hail of Type 12 phaser fire
BugShip splats against the Regenerative Shielding of the ship
BugShip takes heavy damage in the attack and crashes into the ship, inflicting superficial damage to the outer layer of Ablative Armor

As for the Dyson Sphere - I don't know the answers to those. However, as we're apparently bringing "unique" items into play, inlcuding those that are barely understood, we'll just assume for shits and giggles a Tholian Web around Centerpoint, then the DysonSphere is built around it by the ancient race that constructed the first one. Sound good? Or are you ready to pull out these stupid supposed "superweapons" we know near nothing about.

 

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Perhaps you need your eyes checked. Can't check your brain after the lobotomy though can we?

 

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So are we using Georges story, or all the stories made up even by people that have no clue what Star Wars is really about? I thought we were using Georges Story, hence why we used HIS cannon...

 

Thank you Ent-B... nice to see someone else able to debate like a mature adult.

 

Except EU is not Georges story... and his story is highest cannon... so anything after his story, which he explicately says ends, is non cannon.

 

The Ent-E is one of the fastest large ships in the Federation fleet, and is THE FASTEST ship in it's 12 hour "emergency speed". Warp 9.9978 for 12 hours is DAMNED fast.

 

Except when it goes to engage it's target.

And Cody posted about Centerpoints full power...

 

Considering the planet must be at least a half AU away just to not be nuked like Mercury...

 

except a HyperSpace projectile cannot impact a realspace target, right?

 

In Voyager, Voyager was doing Warp 9.99 something something to try to outrun a torpedo - 7 of 9 beamed the damn WARHEAD out of the torpedo!

 

And we've never seen that used against ships, so obviously it can't do squat against starships (this is a direct copy of TW's post about Tri-Cobalt weapons and shielded target - can't have it both ways Scotto)

It's... not Metallic... it's barely even in existance in this universe it's so dense.

Sure you can - destroy it long before it can be used

And that matters how...

 

Actually the window was 18 to 30 seconds Oddly the same amount of time the star started to darken and the from the beginning of explosion to the striking of the surface of the world. Which admittedly calls for a very small star and set of planets, but does match the conclusion.

Note that Worf did not think there would be a problem striking the rocket one lock on was achieved again suggesting the rocket was sublight. Just that it would take too long for the sensors to lock on.

 

First of all nobody claimed Kahn was jamming the sensors in the movie. Only that they could not be detected at that time. The Enterprise beamed abaord the station then obviously used the stations transporters to reach the surface. Finally we are talking a hollowed out asteroid and given very precise coordinates thanks to a communicator inside. So this example you have given is extremely flawed.

 

Incorrect, the scanning is possible, unfortunately the speeds make less than useless as they can only scan out in hyperspace a few hundred light years, which is less than a seconds travel.

 

One Photon torpedo blew a rather fragile asteroid to large chunks. Of course it was most likely a special torpedo considering thenature of the target and all previous uses of torpedos.

Phasers have drilled seveal meter, as in 2, diameter holes several hundred meters per second. It takes many seconds to reach 10km in soft rock. Compare to 20 to 100 meter radius asteroids composed of nickel-iron vaporized in 1/15th of a second. There is no comparison here. Star Wars wins,

Only one place in all of Star Wars mines Nuetronium from a moon and it is used in one shipyard. Even that file contends that the deposit, which contians all the other componenets of Dura Armor, is likely a crash site. There is no fiorther mention of nuetronium being mined on a planet or moon.

However it does not matter as ST Neutronium acts exactly in all other ways identical to SW neutronium. Which sets precedent.

They just say impregnated. Since it acts like ST neutronium in most ways we have reason to believe it is similar in all ways. But even a 10% mix would make phasers largely useless against a SW craft.

Actually asll we saw was the asteroid literally explode. In the next scene we see Captain Needa reacting to the explosion, we can only assume. Since novelization is based on the movies in production, if the Avenger is listed in the noveilization as suffering the impact, but is seen unharmed later chasing the Falcon, then we must assume that the dust cloud obscured the bridge and our eyes are playing tricks on us. Which is entirely possible.

 

Memeory Alpha is not a canon source according to Paramount. only the shows and movies are canon and only them.

Oh and nobody has EVER been wrong or exaggerating in Star Trek before! Seriously we have enough proof to know this is not correct. Hell First Contact was proof, Endgame was proof, The first Borg attack on Earth was prrof. In each of these cases the Borg were detec ted far in advance.

 

I explained why in my post or did not not bother reading? And yes he yelled shields up! It's a general order when they say sheidls up you bring everything to equal power all around. Just makes sense to make it a short order instead of a long one.

 

I am begging you, read my posts. What Cody posted about Leland Chee is true, read it. Also never in the script or the movies did it say " There is no more story ". In the movies George Lucas put " Long tim ago in a galaxy far far away " for a reason, and that is they can expand it. George Lucas always end a story in a way that everybody wants it to continue. He said his part of the story ended. But he approved the EU material, and they have meetings in the Skywalker Ranch to agree on what is best and how would they make it Star Wars. He said in a Lucasfilm magazine ( Star Wars: Insider ) that he is not in charge of EU. And find me a qoute where George Lucas says " Expanded Universe is not canon " and it have to include non-canon or not canon. You can't because he never said it. He just said his part of the story ended ( that doesn't include his involment with EU.

 

How indiscrimiate of you. You neither narrowed down your analysis or the situation.

No comparison to what? Drilling vs destruction.
Wouldn't that be the most obvious statement you could make.

BUt the story leaves it as inconclusive. If yo could pic it up then it's not realy Neutronium as Kittamaru has stated over and over again.

An ineffectual statement with out a line of evidence.

Actually no one has to make the assumption but you TW...Logic does not agree with you however. You've conducted other logical fallacies but this is just another of the obvious ones. (since some similarities then everything is the same)

How illogical.

Actually that would be contradiction. That would allow us to throw out that example completely infavor of the G- canon. I think that covers it all.