Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    Uh, that is because basic physics are seemingly different in both universes, so there, ha.
     
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  3. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    • 1st Generation Wars Debaters - TW Scott (before he went mad), Lord Vasago, and Fettman
    • 2nd Generation Wars Debaters - haloguy07, TW Scott (a lil' insane), Cody (perhaps, though a little late for his time)
    • 3rd Generation Wars Debaters - Skywalkerjedi, Darthraven, Rukqo, and TW Scott (now in the hands of the Federation Funny Farm)

    It would seem for the most part that the SW debaters started going bad after the 2nd generation hit (though this thread has existed longer than my existance here on SciForums).

    It would seem that I cannot classify Asguard...
     
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  5. FoolFromHell Photons be Free. Registered Senior Member

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    Are you kidding me? Even the most powerful Jedi cannot convince anyone
    . The Q are literally OMNIPOTENT. Nothing can possibly harm them. At all. Unless you use the Q's powers against them. Anyway, the Force is not canon in ST, so, it doesnt exist in living things in the ST universe, so, it cant be used there anyway. Using the force is manipulating the universe around you. That doesnt exist.
     
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  7. FoolFromHell Photons be Free. Registered Senior Member

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    Inside the quotes.
     
  8. FoolFromHell Photons be Free. Registered Senior Member

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    In quotes. And, Q can just make Hyperspace not exist, meaning, all ships are now grounded...

    In quotes.
     
  9. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Again Q has shown no such ability. Plus if you are going to restrict each side to what they normally do....then Q will do nothing for the Federation. At most he will save Picard and Janeway and even that is questionable.
     
  10. FoolFromHell Photons be Free. Registered Senior Member

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    Assimilate it?

    Kill Palpatine when he is 2 yrs old?

    Beam aboard and take it over?

    Why can't it be destroyed? "Oh shit! Nobody saw the Enterprise-E being destroyed on screen! It must be invulnerable!!!!!!!!!!!"
     
  11. FoolFromHell Photons be Free. Registered Senior Member

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    TW Scott went crazy halfway through 2nd Generation.
     
  12. FoolFromHell Photons be Free. Registered Senior Member

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    We are not "restricting to what they would do", because if we were, the Jedi and Sith would rather fight each other than fight us. Personal grudges and all. We are doing all out one side vs. the other. And, okay. Maybe not destroy Hyperspace, but any technologically advanced species in Trek, especially Q, can go back in time and stop life from ever existing in the Wars galaxy. And Wars cant follow us back in time. Sorry. Or, he could kill every person who would discover warp drive. Starting with the Rakatans. Nobody would ever discover it... and....

    And, last I checked, the Iconians could teleport anywhere at will. Send all ground forces through Iconian gateways.
     
  13. FoolFromHell Photons be Free. Registered Senior Member

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    Oh. shit. 500 pages soon! This is a travesty!
     
  14. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Tell you what. We will keep to Paramount Canon and Lucasfilm Canon. We will invent no capabilities outside of that canon. We are allowed to invent new tactics, as long as they do not violate any of the laws and mindsets of either side.

    We will start the debate in a head on head confrontation USS Excalibur (GCS), USS Burton (Intrepid), and USS Burke (Defiant) vs An Imperial Star Destroyer Group (One ISD and 6 Strike Cruisers)

    Federation side:
    -Excalibur has been fully upgraded with Type XII Phaser Strips and Fast load photon tubes. She carries eight quantum torpedoes for use in emergencies only
    -Burton has been upgraded with Type XII Phaser Strips
    -Burke is the latest model Defiant with 4 pulse phaser emitters and 2 Type X Phaser Strips. Since she is on patrol he has mostly photon torpedoes but does carry 4 quantums for emergency fire only. the Burke does NOT have a cloaking device.
    -All three ships have Starfleet personnel aboard only. Families are enjoying a cruise on Rigel Seven.
    -Ships are in the fringes of Federation territory and are twelve hours from nearest help.
    -All ships have a mixture of races but have had no contact with the Q.


    Star Wars side
    -Standard ISD meaning 60 Turbolaser, 60 Heavy Ion Cannons, 24 Tractor beams for offense armament.
    -ISD is a Carrier of 72 Fighters, 12 Tie Bombers, 12 Tie Interceptors, 12 Skipray Gunboats, 12 Assault Shuttles, 4 Lambda Shuttles.
    -Strike Cruisers are standard escort vessels with no modifications.
    -Star Wars vessels have emerged from Hyperspace with shields up.
    -Star Wars Vessels cannot travel FTL unless they Hyperspace jump.
    --Star Wars vessels are fully loaded for ground troop compliment.

    Area of Space:
    -There is nothing here except the ships and what they are carrying.


    Now what would be Federation's opening move?
     
  15. Hotspur Registered Member

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    I should definitely spend more time qualifying my statement here.

    If I'm remembering correctly, peta is the next prefix above tera. And, ditl.org (Graham Kennedy's site) rates the total output of the galaxy class' phaser arrays at 50,000 terawatts, or 50 petawatts.

    Allow me to make it absolutely clear that Kennedy's site is NOT canon; however, his information on Star Trek is the most extensive and well-researched I've ever seen. He discusses technology, common thematic elements in Star Trek, critical analysis of the episodes, and myriad of other topics.

    His weapon power outputs are based on observation and extrapolation from the episodes. Like us, he draws conclusions from the entirety of the Star Trek universe; he doesn't focus on a one or two obscure lines (such as Worf's comments in TNG's Survivors) that lack proper context.
     
  16. Flectarn Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    Fair enough.

    Feds opening move is: "Flagship", the Excalibur Hails the ISD, informs them that they are in Federation Territory and inquires as to their intentions.

    and i'm out for the night so some one else can pick this up...
     
  17. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Okay, you are assuming the Q could affect the Rakatans, a race of force users themselves. Second you are assuming that a being that has never interfered in a war before will start here. The Jedi and Sith have fought in wars, the Q have not in the show ever. The Iconians are long dead and that is a bucket of worms you do not wish to reopen.

    This is supposed to be a conflict between the mortal races. If you start including the races like Q you have to hhave a damn good reason. Deciding they would to help out the hmans is bS becuase the Empire is humans as well. that fact alone the Q, Organians and every last supposedly omnipotent race would sit this conflict out.
     
  18. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Okay Imperials first move is to power up weapons and ECM, but not fire. they will respond to hail with video feed on an officer in uniform flanked by stormtroopers. Strike Cruisers will be moving to effectively create a screen for the larger vessel.

    "This is Admiral Hentor of the Imperial Star Destroyer Devastator. We are on an exploration and cartography mission in the name of the Galactic Empire. Your cooperation and compliance will be noted in my report."
     
  19. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    Like usual the Imps attack, but are overwhelmed by the fact that their turreted weapons cannot hit the ST ships going at 80% the speed of light.

    Excalibur warns ISD to stand down (ignored).

    Burton lays waste to the external shield generators giving the ST ships a window.

    Excalibur warns the ISD one last time. Once again ignored.

    The flagship targets the bridge of the ISD and promptly destroys it.
     
  20. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Then Enterprise B wakes up from his little dream and stares blankly at the cell walls of the cell and wonders what went wrong. not remebering that combat speeds in ST were .25 light at best and usually MUCH slower. Infact they never show in the show them fighting at any speed only a few kilometers a second except when the experimental computer was controlling TOS Enterprise.

    Also the shield generators of all ISD are internal. thos globes are sensor arrays. The reason the BRIGE shields were brought down in ROTJ was a combination of heavy concentrated firepower straining the shields and the destruction of said sensor arrays which was very near the bridge.

    Now please someone with a working braincell continue from where I left off.
     
  21. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    very true in Star Wars universe the laws of Physics seems to actually apply whereas in Star Trek they ony apply if it doesn't mess up the story.
     
  22. Hotspur Registered Member

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    You do realize that 25 percent the speed of light is still 75,000 kps? And I've seen absolutely no indication that the turreted weapons of an ISD can track at such a velocity.

    Furthermore, we've repeatedly witnessed the Enterprise using its weapons effectively at warp speeds (ST:TMP, TOS: Balance of Terror, etc.).
     
  23. antaran_1979 Registered Senior Member

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    if you mean the one orbiting the forest moon of Endor, then here's what i'd do:
    (basicly what the rebels did) do a landing party, blow the shield generators (making a stew ot of the "best" storm troopers is optional), and then simply launch a small craft inside. if a 40m Falcon can get in, an UFP fighter or runabout can, and UGP small craft has far better firing arcs and weapons.
     
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