Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. Dontai Registered Senior Member

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    wow your the babble on god? Get a room ...
     
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  3. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Star Trek would just teleport them into a black hole...
     
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  5. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Patently false as proved Before. Matter may be able to penetrate Ray Shields if it slow moving and small, but it still would be stopped by Particle shields the second layer of SW shields.

    If a ship was able to emit a concentrated Baryon particle sweep, why would you need to stop at a SPECIAL starbase for the Baryon sweep process? Plus it may penetrate ST thin hulls, but not the thick hulls or particle shields of SW ships.
     
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  7. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    God, what a moron, first he assumes that Just "flipping" a dueterium atom is easy and that he thinks the Enterprise D carried 10 years of fuel.

    For the first it takes just as much energy to create the AM as you would get from the AM that is created. So in effect even if it was a 100% efficent system you are only providing a way of storing energy in a material form. And there is no such thing as 100% efficiency, it just does not happen on any regular basis.

    Second, for the enterpise to carry ten years of fuel is in direct conflict with Canon. The Voyager was, supposedly, designed to operate for three years on the AM she carried, a feat Janeway was very proud of. Why would she be proud of three if a vessel six times her size and ten times her power production could carry ten. It seems 3 years would be considered pitifully provisioned.


    Moreover M/AM reactors maybe capable of great amounts of power, but truth of the matter was that in in ST it was not considered end all be all. Romulans were experimenting with singularities with some success, the Borg used a number of different power sources and then there was the Omega Particle. M./AM also suffers from a very fatal flaw, the fuel is so inherently destructive that failure of containment for even a nanosecond will destroy the vessel with ease.
     
  8. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    First of all, anything written after Franks death is just so much gargbage as not to be fit to be kindling. He left notes for one book and obviously wanted to the series to end after that, but no his idiot son couldn't respect that. As with Star Wars and Star trek only use the the stuff the creator has deemed fit. For ST that is the shows and the movies. For SW that is Movies, the miniseries, and most of the novels (some authors and series are considered non canon), for Dune it is what Frank wrote and his notes. It's that simple and it respects the creators wishes without getting stupid.


    Second the Personal Shields, if that is the case why the interaction with the Lasgun? Lasguns mess with shields big time. So no it is not going to protect against the Death Star. Hell even if it did the sudden demise of the planet under your feet is going to kill you anyway.

    Third, there are beings in Star Wars who can do things even Jedi and Sith only dream of.

    Fourth, given the low technological state of ground weaponry and the absece of a technology based FTL, I doubt Dune wouldn't be anything resembling a threat in space.


    With the Spice producing worlds destroyed or razed, either ST or SW could take it's merry time conquering the Dune universe. Especially since without Spice all Dune mystic lose their prowess.....hehehe

    BTW Don't get me wrong Dune is great. it's a fine mix of Realtech Scifi and Fantasy.
     
  9. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Oh, god are you just deluded. There are more Sentient beings on Coruscant than there are Borg, period. That is just counting official census. Not the illegals, criminals, transients, or Droids. That is just one planet. Of course it is considered heavily populated, but still...

    The Empire in it's heydey was 70% of the galaxy. The Federation doesn't even merit 20% of the apha quadrant.

    Yes the Romulans and Klingons have cloaking devices that can foll ST style sensors, but then again a Magnetic pole can do that. SW has cloaks that make the ship completely undetectable unless you have a very finely tuned gravimetric sensor and know what you are looking for.

    The ST universe features ships that need 70 years to travel half the galaxy. The SW universe features ships that can go from one edge of the galaxy to the opposite edge in mere days.

    The ST universe has weapons that are repelled by 400 gigawatt shields. The SW universe has everyday weapons that produce 52 billion gigawatts

    Don't get me wrong I love ST, but in an all out war SW just rolls right over the lesser races without serious effort. Though I am quite sure ST would fight to the bitter end, well except for the Vulcans.
     
  10. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Actually Battle Droids are susceptible to Ion guns, but theose are focused EMPs designed to overcome shielding. Besides set off the EMP and suddenly all your troops are weaponless against the human back up for the droids and btw Blasters are immune to EMP as are Lightsabers
     
  11. Sumoben Registered Member

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    Well since I'm bored, I'm going to bring up the nacine, again, who can tamper with the cosmic strings and wipe your silly monks and whatever from the universe, if they can do it in the ST universe, I'm sure they can find the strings to the SW universe.
     
  12. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Thick hulls... like the six inch thick windows of the Star Destroyer that got rammed?

    BOOSH!
     
  13. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    You idiot... the Enterprise also had the facilities to MANUFACTURE AntiMatter... Voyager did not. Read your facts bitch.

    And no, failure of containment is no big deal- they dump it into space. Redundancy for the win... something Star Wars could look into... that bridge armor was pretty pathetic...
     
  14. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, Mrs Gene has dubbed many book series as cannon mate. As she is the wife of the creator I believe she would carry a lot of weight. Then again, that's speculation, as was YOUR bullshit comments. Stop trying to make cannon what you want.
     
  15. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Gravimetrics are a primary source of sensor readings for Trek ships. Does that mean your cloaks are useless? You just said it does! Move along. NEXT!
     
  16. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    As are self-regenerating phasers (which work in areas where power packs fail, so count your blasters and lightsabers out). That and the Federation has incendiary and projectile weapons as well.
     
  17. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    And who says the Monks couldn't do the same to them. The existance of most of the ST galaxy shows even that power has limits.
     
  18. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Who says they Can scott?

    Stop syntheticaly making the information you want. Go cannon or non cannon- either way, Wars is boned.

    If you want to play the "Who says they can't" Card, then who says Star Trek shields (which have been STATED IN SERIES to be immune to all laser based weaponry in the TNG era) aren't immune to Star Wars laser blasters? It's only a LASER blaster after all!
     
  19. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Again, with universe on universe
    ST has Federation Unity, Romulan Intel, Near Invincible Jem'Hadar, Near Invincible adaptable Borg, Species 8742 (that can kick borg's ass, so imagine them working together,) Determined Klingon Warriors. This is without mention all the great captain's Calhoun, Picard, Kirk, Sisko. As well as Q.
    I don't think SW can stand up to the combined might of the entire ST universe.
     
  20. temur man of no words Registered Senior Member

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    SW can stand up! They have lots of advanced weapons and technology. Not to mention THE FORCE.
     
  21. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, the force,the ability to tap into the very life of beings, what good is the force against borg nanoprobes, Telepaths? , sorry we've already got Betazoids and Vulcans. Telekinesis,we've got Q for that as well as very advanced Betazoids and Magnians who are the most advanced telepathic race possible.
    Convincing someone to change their life, Mind Melds,
    And we've been discussing weapons and technology for the past 100 pages and on every occasion ST has won.
     
  22. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah right, a massive EMP. takeing out your friend along with the droids. By the way. How do you expect to solve the shockwave that an massive Emp would create. and the recochets from nearbij asteroids and planets.

    Meanwhile Als the homeplanets are being obliverated.

    Don't understand me wrong. I'm a huge trek fan also. I love voyager DeepSpace 9, I saw every episode with kaptain kirk. but when it gets to cheer combatabilitys. Sw just rules.
     
  23. Saquist Banned Banned

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    Yeah Nutcase...that's pretty stupid. Perhaps you need to use more toliet paper so you can hear...heck use it on your eyes if it helps. The Enterprise has a Antimatter Converter.

    Voyager used proton purst to create antimatter in the warp core.

    Not in this case...read the tech manuel people have already figured this out ahead of you.

    No not directly.

    That has to do with stoarge. Galaxy has an incredible amount of storage capicity. Voyager as the smarter ship doesn't make that tank a point of weakness for enemy weapons or colisions.

    Because you think shallowly you reach for the foremost explanation. Thus the continued stupidity...you only elaborately explain Star Wars and you make every excuse for it. It's a sad and preditable course in every post you're ever posted.

    -Star Wars- The Perfect Lover
     
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