Star Wars vs Star Trek

Laser = not original while phaser = somewhat original

nuff' said

 

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The whole poitn is mute anyhow. Even if somehow the Empire did attack, that would cause a disruption in the timeline, and thus call in the 31st or at least the 29th UFP to stop it. If you thought the UFP firepower was high enough with the figures I posted before, just wait until you hear that a 29th century UFP ship that goes boom can take out an entire solar system.

 

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Well heck the Borg could do that with a 5,000,000 Isoton mine Now...

 

You know, I came up with that.

Look a little while in my history.

I single-handedly won this!

 

Well, I read the first 100 pages of this thread and I have to say that the title is a bit dumb. Its retarded to ask which would win st galaxy vs sw galaxy. Because according to each sides cannon they wouldn’t help eachother. So in essence we would have to change the story and violate the cannon to even contemplate a response. A more appropriate question would be stellar nation vs stellar nation.

Federation vs Empire is an easy win for empire. By numbers alone the empire could ram every Starfleet vessel and still have enough to carry out a conquest campaign. With that said canon figures put the empire far beyond the federation in weapon payload, shield power, FTL travel, and hull strength. Simply put Federation is out gunned and out numbered.
In star trek galaxy federation is the most powerful people in the alpha and beta quadrants. So its logical to assume the other groups would fall as easily as the federation. The dominion which have comparable weapons/shield power shouldn’t be a match for the empire either.

And then there was the Borg….

The question is what is Borg weapon and shield technology like comparable to the empire? It is canon that the borg can assimilate alien tech so in a direct war the empire only has so long before the borg adapt or aquire imp tech. As far as weapons are concerned I have no idea. However I began a search to try to determine how a borg ship can stand up to a SD. I only used canon material imo.

Observations:
uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OCZE3SAjzp4&feature=related

4:20 – one ship energy beam penetrates shield and hull and destroys portion of ship.
3:02 – 10 ships (9 bioships and 1 larger ship) blow up a planet
3:04 – 3:12 time it takes for planet to blow including a moment in the voy bridge


From Stardestroyer.net

TL has roughly 5.8e10 GWatts
2.2e32 j to blow up an earth like planet


Assumptions:
1. Center bioship is 1000 times more powerful than ordinary bioship
2. Each 8472 bioship fired standard battle power levels
3. After first shot at time 4:20 borg cube was still combat ready
4. Took the full 8 seconds to destroy the planet at 3:04


Results:
Each small bioship puts out 2.18e29 joules (energy needed to destroy a planet divided amongst 9 bioships and a center bioship assuming it puts out 1000 times more energy).
Each small bioship puts out 2.73e28 watts
Each small bioship puts out 2.73e19 GWatts

Borg cube can sustain (2.73e19 GW )/( 5.8e10 GW per TL) = 4.7e8 TL bolts and still remain combat effective assuming the borg cube can’t adapt to the TL bolts and the borg cube doesn’t conduct any repairs. This figure of turbolaser bolts are only considering a raw energy absorbtion. Clearly there are weaknesses that could be exploited as seen in first contact but that consideration is too complex for me.

So in the end its clear that a Borg cube by shield strength alone is far stronger than an ISD. So its clear the empire would lose a conflict being they wouldn’t have their tech advantage to the borg.

So Borg Win.

However admiral janeway killed all the borg (maybe / maybe not) and so if that is the case empire wins lol.

 

John... read the last few hundred pages... we've PROVEN that star destroyer.net is full of SHIT. At that kind of power output, a STANDARD CRAPTASTIC STAR DESTROYER CAN VAPORIZE A PLANET!

If they were right, a SSD would create a quantum singularity EVERY TIME it fired!

Based purely on canon FACTS, a Quantum Torpedo, in it's single detonation, puts out more power than a SD's raw core power output over the span of 10 seconds.

ST shields wouldn't be TICKLED by anything less than a Heavy Turbolaser battery... and those would probably be unable to track something doing 3/4 light speed around them dumping torpedoes and phaser fire into them.

 

kittamaru you do realise you are talking about science FICTION dont you?

it doesnt matter if that kind of power is impossable. Q is impossable and so is the force after all. The real point is that only the definant can actually DODGE where as most of the star wars craft dodge.

 

You going to have to show me the calculations that disprove Dr. Wong cause Ive read a 100 pages and I don't feel like digging it up. No it couldn't vaporize a planet. That could only be true if your planet is 50 meters in diameter. The energy of a TL is no way near the power to vaporize a planet.

Doubt it. But even if you are right thats irrelevent. Its Scifi, ya know, make believe. If its shown in the movies as I believe it does, then its considered fact.

mmkay.

 

Please do not use Stardestroyer.net, it has it's major problems. Your juvenile "Dr. Wong" redirects links to porn sites.

I don't think it showed up...

Science Fiction, a form of fiction that draws imaginatively from scientific knowledge.

Star Wars majorly contradicts scientific knowledge and should not be known as a science fiction.

ST too, but most of ST is based on science.

 

What?!? Those pathetic fighters? That's it for SW craft, all the rest practically don't move at all.

You mean the 'Defiant'?

This is also partly because ST weapons are more accurate. In fact, I believe SW craft would have a particularly hard time hitting ST craft.

 

USS Enterprise-B you do realise that SW doesnt actually fall into the Scifi jonra at all?

Its actually classed as FANTASY, fantasy doesnt HAVE to follow rules. Generally fantasy has magic (ie the force), since when did the real world have the force?

 

But, if Borg have strong shields, and Future Janeway's weapons killed Borg, then Federation weapons are stronger than they are said to be.

If you notice, (I cant find a clip), Voyager survives a direct beam from one of the lesser Species 8472 ships for a few seconds, then still has shields, and immediately jumps to Warp. Clearly, that is evidence of strong shields.

 

MAKE UP YOUR MIND!!!!!

 

and the death star? 1, 2 and 3 plus the sun crusher

especially death star 3 which was designed specifically to target capital ships. Enterprise comes in, dust goes out

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SW is fantasy ie it doesnt HAVE to have any rules and can have magic
ST is scifi and tries to have some rules
Main thing is they BOTH are NOT REAL and all ST is doing is trying to find someway to say well if we did this and this and this we MAY get something LIKE this
SW doesnt

 

You cannot say that if an empire is destroyed, it is not in the fight.

The Empire was destroyed in EpVI (Most of it, anyway).

By that logic, you have to use the EU's most recent novel and all ships destroyed at that point are not valid.

 

All irrevelant for a few particular reasons. In my opinion, these are the best arguments going for Trek.

#1, The Death Star takes a few seconds to power up and ST ships are vastly faster than SW ships at sub-light. Max impulse is 80% speed of light. Lets see the Death Star take a few seconds to charge up and hit the ship.

#2, Q... If we cannot use Q, Wars cannot use the Force. And as there is no Life in Star Wars without the Force, you HAVE to use the Force, and we HAVE to use Q. Either both have supernatural powers, or you die and we live.

#3, the Death Star is a HUGE target. If you send a few Borg Cubes, they will board the Death Star and assimilate all its crew and get the technology.

#4 You forget, there are hundreds of thousands of Borg Cubes. If they send just 4 to each Empire world, the Empire will never be able to defend ALL THE WORLDS. For every world that the Borg take over, a hundred cubes will spawn from there. This will go on until the Empire is 100% assimilated. They will do this for a few reasons. #1, new technology! #2, new types of Aliens to exploit!

#5 If... Species 8472 = Destroy a planet in 10 seconds with (the liberal estimate of 1007x the power of a "regular" ship), and if Voyager can survive a Normal 8472 ship's attack beam for 2 seconds, then keep shields and jump to warp, it is easily surmised that Voyager's shields are about 1/5000 the strength of the Death Star's main planet-killing weapon (which is equal to about 1007x the power of a Species 8472 ship). And since the Death Star is "more powerful than the entire fleet", and the Empire fleet is 25,000 ships+ strong, the Voyager's shields are 5x the strength of the full firepower of a single Empire ship. (I think my math screwed up somewhere... give me 5 mins to edit.)

and, finally, #6, the Federation NEVER FELL. Or else, the Future, 30th century Federation would NOT EXIST. Since it never fell, any incursion by SW which might cause a Milky Way loss would invariably bring the 30th Century Federation into play and they will use their timeships which can go from one end of the Galaxy to another within seconds. In the episode where Voyager needs to go to the 1990s to stop the Computer Mogul from getting Future Tech, the timeship relativity goes from the Delta Quadrant to Earth within seconds by jumping time. They can easily jump 10 seconds ahead in time and be across the universe.

SW has no hope of winning at all. Imagine 500,000 Borg Cubes descending on Coruscant. There will be no way for any Wars government to rid the entire planet of its Borg infestation (The planet is HUGE!). Eventually, it will be run over.

INEVITABLE!

P.S. Oh, and, no arrogant and stupid leaders. Grand Moff Tarkin!

 

except that the borg are very susptable to a normal M16, and yet no one in the ST has realised that rather than going onto a cube with phasas they should replicate an AK47 or an M16 and blow them away

edit to add so really they have some VERY stupid leaders in ST

 

So, for my point #5 from my previous post, here are my calculations.

X = Bioship power

Y = Imperial Star Destroyer Power

Z = Death Star Power.

Since there are about 25,000 ISDs ships in the Galaxy Far Far Away, and the Destruction of Alderaan would take more firepower than the entire Imperial fleet, Z > 25,000Y, but to keep it simple, we will keep it at Z = 25,000Y.

Now, if, you are saying that the center Bioship is 1000x as powerful as the outer ones. (A vastly liberal estimate), you get this.

As it takes 10 seconds of continous fire to destroy the planet, the 1003x is multiplied by 10.

(1003x)*10=25000y

I rounded the 1003 to 1000, and then it simplifies to this
10000x=25000y
10x=25y
2x=5y
x=(5/2)y
X = 1.5y, so, each Bioship is 1.5x as strong as an ISD. EACH Bioship, and Species 8472 has thousands of Bioships.

This does two things. #1, it contradicts the whole 13 gigatons/Heavy Turbolaser argument by the ICS books, as if were 13 gigatons/Heavy Turbolaser, and if the ISD has about 70 Heavy Turbolasers, its entire power projection is 910 gigatons. If that is so, the
REGULAR bioship is 1365 gigatons/single shot since it has only one aperture to fire from.

#2 By that logic, if Voyager can withstand 1365 gigatons for about 2 seconds and still have its shields and warp intact, the Federation has no problem with disposing the Empire.

Nuff said.

 

The Borg were not expecting projectile weapons. A few things. #1, M16s wont do shit. If the borg figures out you will use bullets, they will adapt their personal shields to stop projectiles. If not, how is a rifle with 30 bullets/clip going to last against 200 drones coming towards you?