Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    No, it isn't. There is a reason for this: To form a black hole requires an INSANE amount of energy, to the point that, if Centerpoint could ACTUALLY generate this kind of power, it would be incredibly easy for the Federation, and indeed, anyone with a simple tricorder, to find this energy source.

    You have, honestly, no idea how much sheer power we are talking about.

    And, also, an energetic blast will NEVER create a black hole - the reason they are so rare is that a very specific set of events must happen to form one.

    What centerpoint creates are called Quantum Disturbances - quasi black holes that do not have the true nature of a black hole, but bend light and destroy material. It's like a very deep gouge in the fabric of the universe, but without the "hole" of a black hole.
     
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  3. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    This is what the Federation will do.
    " Oh, it is just another species of humanoids, nothing big. " and they will ignor it.
     
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  5. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Jedi, here's the thing -

    Unless you can provide proof a Wars ship can cross the Trek barrier, which was made by Q, then we can't assume they can simply do it.

    We have already PROVEN why Centerpoint and the Galaxy Gun could never hit a Trek ship... if a damn TurboLaser misses a capital ship 6km+ LONG that isn't MOVING, then how in the world could you hit a 700 meter ship doing 2,200 meters per second?

    Force < Q, already proven time and again

    And Scott, it's Trek vs Wars... travelers and Weasley and the Q included. It's ALL of Trek vs ALL of Wars, or each side acting as they really would.

    If you want to do each side, it'd be Federation/Romulans/Klingons/Vulcans/Gorn/Hydrans/Lyrans/ISC/Orion Pirates/Rebels vs Empire+ a few of the Empires allies maybe? vs Borg vs Species 8472 with the Q all laughing int he background and waiting for the "great war" to end before setting everything back to normal.
     
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  7. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    No, they won't.

    If you have paid attention to trek, even when it is just another humanoid, they generally try to find out what exactly it is. If they can't, they throw the person in quarrentine.

    HOWEVER

    As they would be enemies, they'd simply wipe the pattern buffer/beam them to the brig/ beam them into space, etc... so in the end it wouldn't matter worth a damn.
     
  8. Sardonic Crisis The God Emperor Registered Senior Member

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    To the whole midichlorian thing. Here is what the Dune universe would do:

    First there would not likely be straight out war with SW first... no, Dune civilization would look at every weakness every bit of evidence that would grant an advantage. One of those advantages would be for the bene gesserits to go ahead and send breeding mistresses to the star wars galaxy to breed force sensitives into the Dune universe. Now with the bene gesserit propensity for controlling their biological makeup and the required mental capacity to do so along with spice enhanced midichlorians.... who do you think would be better force users... the jedi/sith or the bene gesserit?

    The bene gesserits show capabilities even without the force that would make the jedi/sith wonder what they got into. Telepathy? The bene gesserit don't need it... they read your mind and your actions by studying minutae. Prescience? The bene gesserits had a breeding program to create the perfect prescient and succeeded. Knowledge? The bene gesserits have knowledge that stretches back to the first of their ancestral lines. A bene gesserit will know how to counter any trick in the book... oh... and imagine if they got a hold of one force sensitive human in the SW galaxy and made a baby girl.... she would have the knowledge of any force sensitives in the girl's ancestry. Do not go on about the force with Dune... we counter it too easily.

    As to the argument that midichlorians exist in every universe. that is total BS! Of everyone in either ST or Dune the bene gesserits prove that notion false. They know everything about their biological makeup and they have never mentioned anything to the effect of sentient life within their cells. Instead through the spice agony they awaken the cellular knowledge within their DNA and remember thousands upon thousands of lives into the past... you would think that they would remember something to the effect of midichlorians swimming around inside them.... but no such thing... hmmm.... maybe they don't really exist in other universes then, imagine that!
     
  9. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Then the the Bene Gesserit wake up and realize they very well can't do their usual tricks. Jedi, Sith and Aing-Ti would sense the intention of a bene gesserit breed mistress before she even got to the planet. They would realize that their perfect prescient is a child compared to the average Jedi or Sith, let alone an Aing-ti monk. Now if by some miracle it did happen and a baby girl did develop, and had a similiar experience to Paul's sister, there is at least a fifty percent chance the child would choose the Force user side over the Bene Gesserit. And given that many Force users hate being manipulated, the chance goes up.

    As for trying to read what a Jedi or Sith is going to do by watching the minutae is pointless as a Jedi or Sith surrenders themselves to the force in combat. They have no clue what they are going to do until it is done. So trying to read intentions is beyond pointless.

    And remember only a few people thought the midichlorian were sentient or even quasi sentient. In fact Luke Skywalker, arguably the greatest Jedi ever, had no knowledge of the midichlorians at all and he performed feats no other jedi or Sith have even attempted.

    However the point is moot, either every universe gets to use their powers in the rival galaxy or none do. Want the Bene Gesserit to have the weirding way, then you must deal with Telepaths and the Force Sensitives. There is no picking and choosing.
     
  10. Saquist Banned Banned

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    Many ships have been destroyed attempting cross the barrier. Even with shields up the barrier damage many system on the Enterprise. The Kelvan lost a force of ships, the Federation lost the Valiant 20 years before.

    But it's not important since no GFFA ship has ever left the GFFA Galaxy. They couldn't plot a course any where...Frankly it's like someone is punishing the entire galaxy... What kind of stupidity is a hyperspace disturbance? I mean really....The Star War's story line will for ever be stuck in perpetual war.
     
  11. Sardonic Crisis The God Emperor Registered Senior Member

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    The Dune ships will have the easiest time crossing the galactic barriers since they effectively skip the barrier anyway... hell they even can skip universal barriers.

    The name is Star WARS afterall

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  12. Sardonic Crisis The God Emperor Registered Senior Member

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    You know that telepathy can be blocked with sufficient mental acuity. Plus there would be no one for the jedi/sith to read... the bene gesserit could just grab a random person who has midichlorians that the star wars galaxy would never miss.

    The child would not be an abomination like alia. probably a normal child but raised as a bene gesserit initiate who goes through the spice agony like anyone else in the order. The saying in Dune was that once you were a bene gesserit you would always be a bene gesserit.... jessica even went back to them in the end.

    Actually, they both are reactive in premise... jedi react to what the force tells them and bene gesserit react to what the person tells them... in a sense its a stalemate on who has the upperhand but psychologically messing with an opponent, thats a different story... bene gesserit are too good at that and would most likely push the jedi off their reactive posture.

    All I'm saying is that the bene gesserit would know if midichlorians were a part of them. Because they are not mentioned I say they don't exist in the Dune universe.

    I wasn't saying the force couldn't be used. I was saying that certain tricks wouldn't work... like the jedi mind trick because it relies on influencing midichlorians in another person. Its the same as if a bene gesserit used Voice on an alien from ST or SW... it wouldn't work because they have a different instinctual heritage than humans. The bene gesserit attempting it would have to study the species extensively (years) to even get past a joe-blow down the street alien.

    The point is that there are limitations to which each side will be successful at. The weirding way is purely physical and mental which would not meet such limitations. Neither would the force sensitive's use of telekinesis. however, a jedi trying to read the force to determine where the bene gesserit will move would have severe limitations... there are no midichlorians to communicate with in the bene gesserit but they could read how the force reacts around the sister and get a sense for the general direction she will move. Get my point?
     
  13. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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  14. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Here you go, he is one with the force. He is a force ghost and can still interfer, and he is invincible.
     
  15. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Next time try better arguments.
     
  16. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    1) Again I said full potencial. And his suit weakened his powers, and he is only 20 when he got the suit and 40 when he died
     
  17. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Hyperdrive don't need any stars in order to work. I said the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances don't own the galactic barrier, the Chiss does. First there is two ways to get out of the galaxy:
    1. Through Vector Prime
    2. Using the Force
    3. Use Sub-light entill the got out of the barrier



    I do know what it is.




    You said that the Force won't work in Milky Way, because nobody here ( that is before Star Wars scout ships comes ) have midicorians.



    It is a short page, anyways I can provide proof, check the Behind the Scence, and the first paragragh.


    And that is true.
     
  18. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    I ment, it can't suck a system in a second, or even a star. The Millienium Falcon is just a light freighter and it got in a balckhole cluster.
     
  19. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    They got a lock on and it went to hyperspace.
     
  20. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    The Federation will be thinking " Why does these midiclorians have massive energy readings? Mabey it's just a race that can use telephathic or telekenisis powers."
     
  21. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Centerpoint have that kind of power. All they have to do is to rip a hole in the universe.

    I just call it a blast, it creats a gravitational field thats super super strong.

    It said exactly in the book it is a black hole.
     
  22. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    It don't have to hit, Centerpoint have a effect range of millions of kilomteres at full power. Galaxy Gun can be used to hit planets. Centerpoint is used to attack fleets and Galaxy Gun is used to attack planets.

    You mean Force Sensitive < Q

    Q don't get involved in human affairs.
    If you want to do each side, it'd be
    Republic/CIS can take all of the Federation's allies out. And the Alliance to Restore Republic and Galactic Federation of Free Alliances will never side with the Federation, and they already sided with the Imperial Renmants, scince it is a member state of the Galactic Alliance.
     
  23. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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