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12-28-04, 05:13 AM
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Well, I might as well mention it, since this is a Geological forum.
Tidal sediments called "rythymites" show that the Earth has indeed slowed down in its rotation (and that the period of lunar cycles has increased by 4 days from 25 days from new to new Moon, to 29.5 days.)
The problem is, this is not a constant change, it began to significantly alter around 900Mya. This suggests that it is more related to the shifting of the Continents than to anything else.
Anyway, have fun with all your stupid phsyics BS, but it's patently wrong, the geological records proves that, unless you can establish another variable to account for the changes in the rate of change.
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770mph
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12-29-04, 02:57 PM
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Now, the earth is rotating faster then before, so it is not slowing down anymore. With the recent Tsunamis from the Indian Ocean, the planet’s rotation has begun to wobble and speed up. In addition to the huge movement of water, a subduction zone caused from the tectonic plates has reduced the circumference of the earth, thus making it spin faster. – This is just like how a figure skater spins faster when they bring their arms in. This means we now spin faster and as a result have a shorter day. We may even perceive a small rise in the oceans water levels, which can further effect the rotational speed of the earth.
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Ophiolite
10000 is too many. Bye. (7,243 posts)
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12-29-04, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 770mph Now, the earth is rotating faster then before, so it is not slowing down anymore.
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Evidence please.
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Originally Posted by 770mph With the recent Tsunamis from the Indian Ocean, the planet’s rotation has begun to wobble and speed up.
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Evidence please.
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Originally Posted by 770mph In addition to the huge movement of water
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Although huge from a human perspective, the volume of water was vanishingly small on a global scale.
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Originally Posted by 770mph a subduction zone caused from the tectonic plates has reduced the circumference of the earth, thus making it spin faster. .
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The movement had no discernible effect upon the Earth's circumference. Provisional assessments of seismic data indicates the edge of the Burmese plate moved up.
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12-30-04, 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by cardiovascular_tech I agree with Andre here he is pretty knowledgeable when it come's to this stuff, and the stupid physics BS that your talking about is in everyones life everyday and it effects everyones life from day to day. some people understand it and I guess some don't.
also if you haven't noticed since the 9.0world seismic event there was a small noticeable change in the rotation, where I live in the middle of the USA the sun raised around 6:45 to 7:00am now just one day after when I get of work at the hospital at 7am its still dark and the sun doesn't show itself til 7:30 and the moon is still high in the sky. Call it crazy, call it what ever but its kinda funny how the change happened overnight.......so do you stiff think physics is stupid.........this is a science forum.
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I think you misrepresented what my meaning is, taking a literal translation instead of contextual (more important).
Physics is BS, by itself, and the majority of answers have gone off the deep-end ignoring reality, which involves mechanics, something General Physics deeply ignores. The physics used in this forum is all "ideal" and ignores the fact (finally mentioned by Andre) that a change in angular momentum due to mass relocation is a factor.
More than "a factor", it is now considered THE factor. Before mass-distribution became a variable on a large scale with the shifting of Continents, the slowing of the rotation was not at as high a rate as it was aftewards.
And in any case, your idea that there is a noticeable change of rotation due to the 9.0 earthquake proves you must be off your kiester. I have noticed no such change and I am at a higher latitude than you (meaning the change should have been even GREATER than what you experienced).
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Maddad
Time is a Weighty Problem (251 posts)
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01-10-05, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ScRaMbLe stupid person question - wouldn't the complete melting of the ice caps cause more water weight to be distributed around the equator causing the earths spin to slow down, kinda like an ice skater who sticks their arms out while spinning? Even if it was only a little bit, wouldn't it eventually put our clocks outta sync with the actual daytime?
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Mass redistribution on the Earth will affect rotation speed in two ways, both related to your skater. If a large mass displaces downward toward the center of the Earth, then the rotation speed increases.
If a large mass moves poleward, toward the axis of rotation, the rotation rate also speeds up. The rotation rate slows of course if these masses move in the opposite direction.
I have been reading on wep pages and hearing in the news that the recent Sumatra Earthquake slowed the Earth's rotation rate a tiny amount, 3 microseconds a day, because a large mass suddenly moved upward, away from the center of the Earth. This is missleading because the upward slippage at the toe of the subduction zone was a rebound from several centuries of being pulled down. (Further back in the subducting plate the land had bowed upward, so the earthquake allowed this land to sink.) The effect over one several century long stick-slip cycle does not involve a net raising of land.
It would also be incomplete to think of this large subducing mass as a net downward movement into the Earth, or a net poleward movement. The reason that the plate moves is that rock is pushing on it. That rock originally came from upwelling magman at a mid-oceanic ridge. Long term, the mass rising at the mid-oceanic ridge is equal to the mass sinking at the subduction zone. There should be no skater effect.
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01-12-05, 03:27 PM
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Interresting thoughts...
Not sure I subscribe to changes in the Earth's period. Although the snap effect of the plate movements was geologically spectacular, I would say the shift in mass was not a reduction in the Earths's diameter. I would actually lean in the other direction. ie. The compression of the plates was reduced with the release of energy, in effect increasing the area.
If gravitatinal fields are distributed to the center of the mass, any change of distribution of mass on any object would change it's gravitational field.
Which in theory would have an effect, in this case on other terrestrial bodies.
Which would have an effect on angular momentum.
Last edited by Hurricanegravity; 01-12-05 at 03:35 PM..
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01-12-05, 07:48 PM
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I’m not sure if this has been said or not, as I do not have time to read through all the replies, but I believe that the re-routing of water, etc. has a minimalist effect on the rotational velocity of the earth.
True, the earth’s rotation is slowing as days go by, but that slowing is the net effect of the moon distancing itself from the earth. Tidal friction - something that is not influenced by humans, is the primary factor in why this is happening. As rotational energy is passed to the moon through tidal friction, the rotation of earth slows [EDIT: and the distance between the earth and moon increases]. Eventually, there will come a time where the earth itself will be tidal-locked with the moon. The contrary is already the case with the moon. At that point, the earth-moon system will have reached a continuum where the only significant factor influencing the rotational velocities would be a change in diameter of the earth-moon system.
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01-13-05, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by confusedSQL At that point, the earth-moon system will have reached a continuum where the only significant factor influencing the rotational velocities would be a change in diameter of the earth-moon system.
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Let's not forget that the Sun will still produce tidal drag on both Earth and Moon, even after they are in rotational synchrony with each other.
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