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Old 11-12-09, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by NMSquirrel

Formal Proof

Argument

Theory of justification
Can you or anyone else apply this to your so-called "experiences"?
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Old 11-12-09, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Doreen
I love these formal debates....
Mr. Hamtastic as you read this I want you to become aware of your breathing. Feel your chest expanding and contracting. There, you felt that?

I have never experienced you breathing, but I just proved it happens (to you, not to anyone else).
I can't prove I exist to you, but I can prove you exist, to you.
you can prove to him that you exist , you just did !!
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Old 11-12-09, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by thinking
you can prove to him that you exist , you just did !!
No, not really. If he is a solipsist he could think it was himself imagining the words on the screen. (and as a more mild example, I could be a Turing device)
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Old 11-15-09, 03:45 PM
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“ Originally Posted by thinking
you can prove to him that you exist , you just did !!
Originally Posted by Doreen
No, not really. If he is a solipsist he could think it was himself imagining the words on the screen.
if he does , then he would have to fully explain his existence in the first place

how they have the ability to bring into form the Human body by imagination , yet have no clue as-to how the body is made unless they study the biology of their/our form




(and as a more mild example, I could be a Turing device)
a Turing device , a computer you mean , wow

you'd have to be programed , this could take abit, you know with all those cards to punch
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Old 11-15-09, 03:53 PM
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i think this applies to the current topic..but i posted it in another forum(didn't want to spam it) please read..

the Orphan and his father
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Old 11-16-09, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by thinking
if he does , then he would have to fully explain his existence in the first place
Why would he 'have to' do that? Where would such a compulsion come from? If he demanded that I must believe it, perhaps, but then a solipsist wouldn't really view me as being able to make demands he needs to listen to. All he might need for his own sake, is a sense that his belief fits his experience.

As far as the Turing device, I am quite sure computers/programs exist out there that could post here as well as some of the posters.

Over ten years ago I saw a program that pretended to be a therapist. It seemed relatively lifelike, and some people fell for it. Ten years later with all the improvements in speed and programming, etc., I see no reaon for him to be sure I am a human.
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Old 11-16-09, 10:22 AM
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One could even program in the occasional spelling error, see above, to add verisimiltude. Note, the key phrase, is 'for him to be sure'.
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Old 11-16-09, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by NMSquirrel
i think this applies to the current topic..but i posted it in another forum(didn't want to spam it) please read..

the Orphan and his father
That looks like a version of 'Great Expectations'

I didn't see a point to your post or the story.
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