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aadzy
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Old 11-06-09, 12:06 PM
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the consciousness of presence of a physical or virtual thought or thing is existence...(according to me)....i am a newbie pls correct me if i am wrong somewhere ...
Bishadi
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Old 11-06-09, 04:56 PM
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i enjoy the esoteric (thanks for the twist of mind, and welcome to the show)

Originally Posted by aadzy
the consciousness of presence of a physical or virtual thought or thing is existence...(according to me)....i am a newbie pls correct me if i am wrong somewhere ...
thoughts exist, think of them like colors of rainbow, but until imposed to mass (the clouds), the experience is often undescribable

sure the virtual idea virtually exists (daVince saw a plane and drew it) but could he put it to mass as nicely as boeing does?

the knowledge to describe the observance (idea) is often still in the evolving process

just as each experience life (the "i am"), but how to define it, is the chore

imagine one day, when each kid can understand what they are, as puppies
Bishadi
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Old 11-06-09, 05:01 PM
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i wanted to add aadzy...... you not wrong, EVER, for inquiring in my opinion

ie... you just as interested as every human being on the earth (was or will be at one time)


just be fair, and you, we, all.. can evolve a bit, perhaps with YOUR insite and ideas
thinking
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Old 11-07-09, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by aadzy
the consciousness of presence of a physical or virtual thought or thing is existence...(according to me)....i am a newbie pls correct me if i am wrong somewhere ...
as well , is the consciousness of the constiuents that of which you are made and the then awareness that these are then made in the Universe

then and only then can you understand , existence

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Bishadi
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Old 11-09-09, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by thinking
as well , is the consciousness of the constiuents........
the constituents?

like the coherance of the body of cells?

kind of like each having a part as if 'duties' all contributing to the survival of the whole?

can you help with these 'ideas'?

that of which you are made and the then awareness that these are then made in the Universe

then and only then can you understand , existence

what kind of philosophy can be 'labeled,' for the depth of your 'thinking'?



"into the rabbit hole of comprehension"
thinking
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Old 11-09-09, 04:11 PM
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“ Originally Posted by thinking
as well , is the consciousness of the constiuents........ ”
the constituents?

like the coherance of the body of cells?

kind of like each having a part as if 'duties' all contributing to the survival of the whole?

can you help with these 'ideas'?
sure


what I mean is the constiuents that which gives the living body the ability to form in the first place , all minerals necessary to build a living thing , any living thing

and be consciously aware that this is true
thinking
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Old 11-09-09, 04:26 PM
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you see the thing is , as much as life is life , it still needs to draw in what the Universe provides in the way of a place to manifest , such as our planet and the constiuents for life provided by the Universe in order for life to manifest

do you see my point ?
Bishadi
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Old 11-09-09, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by thinking
sure


what I mean is the constiuents that which gives the living body the ability to form in the first place , all minerals necessary to build a living thing , any living thing
mass, energy, in time

when i hammer, i returned to atoms and energy rather than adam and eve

seems the rules must apply there before all else

then to comprehend how each work, then it seems life is just the energy upon mass that enables any to even combine to make molecule number 1


and be consciously aware that this is true
make sense

teach the little ones at a real young age, and life can be understood will little doubt
thinking
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Old 11-09-09, 04:33 PM
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“ Originally Posted by thinking
sure


what I mean is the constiuents that which gives the living body the ability to form in the first place , all minerals necessary to build a living thing , any living thing ”
mass, energy, in time

when i hammer, i returned to atoms and energy rather than adam and eve

seems the rules must apply there before all else

then to comprehend how each work, then it seems life is just the energy upon mass that enables any to even combine to make molecule number 1
look , simply put , life needs the Universe in order to exist

there is nothing complicated about this really
Bishadi
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Old 11-09-09, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by thinking
look , simply put , life needs the Universe in order to exist
i agree

Happiness is knowing once we are; we are ONE.


there is nothing complicated about this really
exactly

as often; the complication is getting through the education
thinking
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Old 11-09-09, 05:22 PM
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“ Originally Posted by thinking
look , simply put , life needs the Universe in order to exist ”
i agree

Happiness is knowing once we are; we are ONE.
yes

but religions , of all sorts , get in the dam way
thinking
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Old 11-09-09, 05:28 PM
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there is nothing complicated about this really ”
exactly

as often; the complication is getting through the education
and once one gets through the education , is the ability to apply this education practicably

so that we understand the implications and then truely understand " what is existence "

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Bishadi
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Old 11-09-09, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by thinking
and once gets through the education , is the ability to apply this education practicably

so that we understand the implications and then truely understand " what is existence "

mass, energy, time; the total as 'existence' (some call it "the trinity" of one)

the transistion to me is like the ankh, transcribed into a mathematical script

mass: energy affixed in time (the loop)

ie.... all this stuff i talk about is grounded, not just, philosophically observed

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thinking
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Old 11-09-09, 06:48 PM
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“ Originally Posted by thinking
and once gets through the education , is the ability to apply this education practicably

so that we understand the implications and then truly understand " what is existence "
Originally Posted by Bishadi
mass, energy, time; the total as 'existence' (some call it "the trinity" of one)
or energy , mass , movement ( hence time )

the transition to me is like the ankh, transcribed into a mathematical script
so ?

mass: energy affixed in time (the loop)
affixed in time ?

explain further

ie.... all this stuff i talk about is grounded, not just, philosophically observed
so mathematics then defines existence , to you

which is superior , simply the ability to Reason without mathematics or just mathematics

what came first the physical Universe or mathematics ?
Bishadi
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Old 11-09-09, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by thinking
or energy , mass , movement ( hence time )
no need to move to take time

to measure alone, takes time

there is no mass or energy without time


so ?
not sure what you asking

don't ask for the name


affixed in time ?

explain further
what did E=mc2 share when describing the fission of mass? that when mass, is separated, that after the parts are added, the difference is light (energy)


so mathematics then defines existence , to you
can define? ....absolutely!

which is superior , simply the ability to Reason without mathematics or just mathematics
reason supported by math

what came first the physical Universe or mathematics ?
that's a tough one
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Old 11-09-09, 10:50 PM
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Mod Hat:

Sorry guys, the duet you're running is going nowhere tediously.
Try formulating your comments in a clear fashion instead of disjointed single sentence suppositions.

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