'Fetishisation' of sex as well, perhaps? Sex probably at a young age is associated with power because sex has been used to wield power.....

Rape is a natural act between a male and a female. The male tells the female what to do and she does it. Males want sex, so they take it. On a side note I am not saying that the ONLY reason for intercourse between a man and a woman is procreation, but that there are other reasons that negate the supposition, and that there are other reasons to touch.

Uhh...this is not the first time we've been over this. Why do you keep saying this sort of thing when myself and others have repeatedly explained why this reasoning if faulty? It's fine if you don't agree, but at least explain why you disagree rather than simply posting the same things that have already been refuted over and over.

First off, you are assuming that masturbation is as satisfying as actual sex, which I don't think most people would agree with at all. If it was, people wouldn't put so much time and effort into convincing others to have sex with them.

Second, it's very common for criminals to commit crimes and harm people to obtain things that they could easily obtain with less risk through legal means. There's a certain fraction of society that simply don't care about breaking the law or harming others to get what they want, be it money, drugs, sex, your car, or anything else.

Go back to nature for your evidence.

See the dolphins for example, they rape other species.

What is the reason?

I say, instinct is the underlying but with conscious thought, monsters can be 'created' (see pedophilia) as acceptable (see africa)(and why the huge spread of aids).....

we are a nasty species when minds are blinded by ignorance and conditioning

but the underlying reason sex is even considered is to procreate (instinct)

otherwise, it is fun (conditioning/environment)

(i'm a junkie and hooked on the stuff)

some rapp is about power

to fix it (of males), put a glass rod in the winkie and break it; no mo problem

I agree that I don't think we should generalize anything. I am not a rapist, therefore I have no idea what a rapist thinks nor do I understand what motivates him/her to act. Still, if we look at why rapists pick young and attractive people, it makes sense. We covet what we cannot have. The rapist covets and when he cannot get what he wants he takes it by force. I think rape may start as a sexual urge/need, but in the end, the act of raping is about dominance and power. The rapists who covets the young attractive girl, but cannot have her is disempowered, immasculated, etc....there is something at the basis of his animal instincts that is effected. The sexual urge is mutated into rage.

Agreed.

I think VI was mostly responding to me jumping into the convo, since I wasn't here for the beginning.

Secondly, I think what she meant is that any sane person would find other ways to satisfy sexual urges. Obviously not every sexually frustrated person is out raping people. And you are right, masturbation cannot be seen the same as actual sexual intercourse. Obviously we all have that drive to procreate, whether we admit it or not.

But I don't really think that you can compare dealing drugs to rape though. Not in the least. A person may do both, but the motivations for each act are very different.

No.

But it would relieve the sexual urge. Maybe not as pleasurable, but it would be methadone to the heroin of actual sex.

And why? What do they get out of it that they don't get when they have consensual sex like a normal person? There has to be something wrong more than just wanting it and not caring or they would take the easier route if only out of self interest. And yes, same with criminals (and there is usually something other than just wanting, for example, teenagers who shoplift to look cool or fit in with a wayward group).

In Islamic countries, maybe.

The minute anyone male or female tells me what to do with my body is the minute I fucking hold them down and dig their eyes out.

This is true and it is the reason why 99% of men masturbate. For the other 1%, the urge of having sex with a real woman instead of masturbating over a picture of one in a magazine, is the reason they go and rape (IMO).

Caveat: percentages may not be accurate

there are mental problems involved as well and a propensity towards criminal behaior.

Too right. These are usually people that have no social inhibitions, conscience or empathy towards others. The things that prevent the rest of us committing such acts.

I don't think we have to be prevented in the first place. That implies we would want to. Most people have a natural disgust for the idea of rape or any such act of hurting someone who has done nothing wrong.

Exactly. Hence, the act is not natural as some have suggested. At least not for humans.

If it were completely un-natural, human males would not be able to achieve an erection in the face of an unwilling partner.

I think she meant it's not natural in the same way that, for example, a disease from a genetic mutation is not natural. It's a mistake or perversion of nature, not a normal part of it.

Yes, mostly. I mean that because we have moral issues with it as a humans, the act isn't one that is natural, it is purposeful. Sex or intercourse or making love or even fucking comes natural at some point, but not rape. Rape occurs only with force.

Or there is something unnatural about the person that can achieve an erection during rape.

The point isn't really whether it's "natural" or not. As a society we have declared it illegal. Nothing changes that. Rape, no matter how you try to argue it away or excuse it, goes against the law.

Errrr. Ummmmmm. I seem to detect a bit of inconsistency here. When did I ever say it was legal or try to excuse it? I was simply addressing your earlier assertion that it was unnatural.

hahah, I love when you try to explain something people think you're justifying it.

"oh... Survival of the fittest? Really... are you some kind of Nazi or something?"

Errrr. Ummmm. I don't ever remember saying you did. I was making a statement.