************* M*W: AKA Robert Turkel, who goes by the name of "J.P. Holding" online, and maintains a web site called Tekton Apologetic Ministeries at http://www.tektonics.org/, who is also known throughout the Internet as a liar. See below: Now we have a new member by the name of "finewine" who is an affiliate (spokesperson) for Tekton Apologetic Ministeries. Mr. Turkel's dishonesty can be documented on the following sites: http://www.discord.org/~lippard/turkeldishonesty.html http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JP_Holding.html http://www.the-anointed-one.com/exposed.html http://members.aol.com/bbu85/hold.htm Consider the bud nipped.