The Spatial Limitation of Gravity Forces

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  1. geistkiesel Valued Senior Member

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    The Spatial Limitation of Gravity Forces

    Neptune was discovered following unexplained perturbations in Uranus’ orbit and Pluto followed after unexplained trajectory perturbations in Neptune’s orbit.

    “Fritz Wacky was the pioneer in this field. In 1933, at the California Institute of Technology, the Swiss astrophysicist Zwicky was the first to theorize dark matter after he observed that there was 400 times the mass in the Coma cluster of galaxies than there ‘should’ have been or that he had expected there to be. According to Zwicky, there must have been something that couldn’t be seen that accounted for the rest of this mass. Furthermore, he came to the conclusion by looking at groups of galaxies tens of millions of light-years away from one another. Zwicky observed that their relative speeds were much too great for them to be held together by the gravitational attraction of the visible matter alone, and that therefore, there must have been something else holding them together. He called this something else ‘invisible matter’ or ‘dark matter’. And then other discoveries sprang forth.”

    http://blogs.princeton.edu/frs110/s2005/darkmatter/2_history_of_dark_matter/

    Is ‘dark matter’ a consequence of modern ‘galaxy formation’ theories? From the same source as above:

    “In 1950, a woman named Vera Rubin made another startling discovery. Newton’s laws predicted that bodies orbiting around a center move more slowly the farther they are from that center. (This has to do with the strength of gravitational attraction being stronger when it is farther away. An example of this is the longer orbits of Pluto compared with Mars: one is much closer to the sun than the other.) Instead, Rubin’s conclusions contradicted Newtonian laws. She built on the theories of Zwicky to discover that galaxies showed an ‘extra motion’: by examining galactic light signatures, she found that bodies orbiting around the outskirts of galaxies traveled at approximately the same speed as the bodies orbiting near the center of a galaxy, therefore some other matter had to exist in the outskirts, some matter that we couldn’t see, that was acting upon the visible bodies. Can you guess the punch line? It was dark matter.”

    From momentum and distances achieved by a group that is no longer subject to the gravitational attraction of ‘one time’ central force authority. Are the stellar objects expressing a physical tendency for less centralized expression?

    From computer simulations (garbage in, garbage out – who and how do you trust?) velocities of outer orbit stars has been attributed to the collision of spiral galaxies. A good place to start for all you relativity theorists is:


    Http://www.isracast.com/article.aspx?id=50
     
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  3. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    Completely nonsensical...
     
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  5. AlphaNumeric Fully ionized Registered Senior Member

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    I love how you tell us to go read something when you make it so abundantly clear that you do not bother to do the same. You whine about mainstream theories yet you make it obvious you don't know them. You've never known them. And not just stuff like relativity or quantum mechanics, but basic things like Newtonian mechanics. You make claims which are patently false like "If gravity isn't close to infinite propagation speed then the solar system would look very different", which is falsified by the fact GR has gravity propagating at light speed and predicts the solar system behaves as we observe it to. You talk about the Shell theorem's invalidation due to finite speed gravity propagation yet you've never bothered to look up what GR says about such things. You claim you learnt it and then unlearnt it but if you did you'd at the very least be aware of general results, like the Schwarzchild metric being valid for planets and stars above their surface, thus giving the GR version of the shell theorem.

    Rather than telling others what you read why don't you first do some reading yourself?
     
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