Play that race-card, boys!

[Cowboy]

More race-cardism; this time from the neo-cons:
Europe's New Face Of Anti-Semitism

I'm not an animal rights activist by any stretch of the imagination, but I've read about Kosher slaughter and it seems a bit cruel to say the least. I understand that people's religious practices are important to them, but it's not bigotry to ban unnecessarily cruel acts.

How about this red-herring:

"Several weeks ago, Germany announced a decision to stop all arms sales to Israel. This comes at a time when attacks on memorials to Nazi-era victims are on the rise. In at least seven attacks this year, extremists destroyed a memorial plaque at Raben-Steinfeld, vandalized a memorial in Woebbelin and a memorial column in Lutterow, and drew a swastika on the grounds of the Sachsenhausen concentration camp on the Nov. 9 anniversary of Krystalnacht, or the Night of Broken Glass, when Nazis targeted Jewish businesses and synagogues in 1938."

I don't have a problem with Germany selling (or not selling) arms to Israel, but vandalism of Jewish memorials (I find the attacks reprehensible, for the record) IN GERMANY is irrelevant to the argument being made here. Is the IDF going to use those arms to invade Germany to stop the vandalism or something? This is like saying, "How can we ban school prayer in America when Christians are being oppressed in Sudan?" What does one have to do with another? If they want to argue that Israelis need those weapons, how about citing national security concerns for Israel?

[Buffalo Roam]

More race-cardism; this time from the neo-cons:
Europe's New Face Of Anti-Semitism

I'm not an animal rights activist by any stretch of the imagination, but I've read about Kosher slaughter and it seems a bit cruel to say the least. I understand that people's religious practices are important to them, but it's not bigotry to ban unnecessarily cruel acts.

How about this red-herring:

"Several weeks ago, Germany announced a decision to stop all arms sales to Israel. This comes at a time when attacks on memorials to Nazi-era victims are on the rise. In at least seven attacks this year, extremists destroyed a memorial plaque at Raben-Steinfeld, vandalized a memorial in Woebbelin and a memorial column in Lutterow, and drew a swastika on the grounds of the Sachsenhausen concentration camp on the Nov. 9 anniversary of Krystalnacht, or the Night of Broken Glass, when Nazis targeted Jewish businesses and synagogues in 1938."

I don't have a problem with Germany selling (or not selling) arms to Israel, but vandalism of Jewish memorials (I find the attacks reprehensible, for the record) IN GERMANY is irrelevant to the argument being made here. Is the IDF going to use those arms to invade Germany to stop the vandalism or something? This is like saying, "How can we ban school prayer in America when Christians are being oppressed in Sudan?" What does one have to do with another? If they want to argue that Israelis need those weapons, how about citing national security concerns for Israel?

Really, then why is hallal slaughtering not banned also?

Both follow the same method and restrictions in the killing of the animal.

Why single out the Jewish Practice?

[S.A.M.]

The rabbi has already moved to Israel, why is he concerned with what Germany is doing? Especially when the country he moved from, Norway also bans kosher slaughter? And the country he moved to, Israel, doesn't?

They simply don't want foreigners and they don't want Jews," said Rabbi Michael Melchior, former chief rabbi of Norway, another European nation that bans kosher meat production. "I won't say this is the only motivation, but it's certainly no coincidence that one of the first things Nazi Germany forbade was kosher slaughter. I also know that during the original debate on this issue in Norway, where shechitah has been banned since 1930, one of the parliamentarians said straight out, 'If they don't like it, let them go live somewhere else.'"

'If they don't like it, let them go live somewhere else.'

Thats exactly what the Israelis say to Palestinians who don't like their cultural practices banned.

Your national solution is somewhere else.

[visceral_instinct]

Halal, Kosher, I don't care what you call it, it's equally cruel when done by any race.

[Cowboy]

Really, then why is hallal slaughtering not banned also?

Both follow the same method and restrictions in the killing of the animal.

Why single out the Jewish Practice?

Because many Europeans seem to be afraid of criticizing Muslim newcomers for fear of seeming "racist" and "xenophobic". Jews have been in Europe since Europe developed modern civilization.

It's true that Hallal slaughtering is very similar to Kosher slaughtering and I'd have no problem banning it for that reason.

[Gustav]

Indeed, the "PETA Principle," the moral equating of animals and humans, is an affront to the very essence of Jewish belief, which exalts the human being, alone among God's creations, as, among other things, the possessor of free will, a being capable of choosing to do good or bad. That distinction is introduced in Genesis, where the first man is commanded to "rule over" the animal world.

The notion that humans are mere animals can lead to ethical obscenities, like PETA's "Holocaust on Your Plate" campaign, comparing the killing of chickens and cows to the murder of Jewish men, women and children.

The notion that humans are mere animals can lead to ethical obscenities, like PETA's appeal to the director of the federal penitentiary where Timothy McVeigh was awaiting execution, that the mass murderer not be served meat so that he "not be allowed to take even one more life." (Rabbi Avi Shafran)


rabbi rabbi rabbi

/sigh

[S.A.M.]

Because many Europeans seem to be afraid of criticizing Muslim newcomers for fear of seeming "racist" and "xenophobic". Jews have been in Europe since Europe developed modern civilization.

It's true that Hallal slaughtering is very similar to Kosher slaughtering and I'd have no problem banning it for that reason.

There is a difference between halaal and kosher, under German laws an animal must be stunned before slaughter. Muslims have no problem with that since halaal laws say nothing about not stunning, kosher laws specify the animal cannot be injured.

We're version 2.0

[Buffalo Roam]

Because many Europeans seem to be afraid of criticizing Muslim newcomers for fear of seeming "racist" and "xenophobic". Jews have been in Europe since Europe developed modern civilization.

It's true that Hallal slaughtering is very similar to Kosher slaughtering and I'd have no problem banning it for that reason.

But that is not what is happening, again the Jews are being singled out, as has been the habit of Europeans and acted against.

Have you ever been to a conventional slaughter house?

When I grew up, the neighbor from next farm across the forty, Mr. Goldmier, slaughtered in the Kosher way, for several Jewish Families in the area and others who he sold meat to, quick and painless from what I saw, the animal wasn't terrified by the smell of fresh blood, the bellowing of pain from other animals, and struggled little, if not at all, we did them one at a time, and always in a clean environment, the same cannot be said of a conventional slaughter house.

I actually preferred working for him because of that fact.

[spidergoat]

What do you expect from World Nuts Daily?

[Buffalo Roam]

Would seem that protectionism is more at play than anything else:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29841

While the Holland ban offers some loopholes to the Jewish community in the country, the Swiss ban on shechitah may go even further. The government earlier this year considered a ban on the import of kosher meat, and the Swiss Animal Association is calling for a national referendum on barring the import of such products. A poll shows 76 percent of the population would support such a move.

[Cowboy]

Indeed, the "PETA Principle," the moral equating of animals and humans, is an affront to the very essence of Jewish belief, which exalts the human being, alone among God's creations, as, among other things, the possessor of free will, a being capable of choosing to do good or bad. That distinction is introduced in Genesis, where the first man is commanded to "rule over" the animal world.

The notion that humans are mere animals can lead to ethical obscenities, like PETA's "Holocaust on Your Plate" campaign, comparing the killing of chickens and cows to the murder of Jewish men, women and children.

The notion that humans are mere animals can lead to ethical obscenities, like PETA's appeal to the director of the federal penitentiary where Timothy McVeigh was awaiting execution, that the mass murderer not be served meat so that he "not be allowed to take even one more life." (Rabbi Avi Shafran)


rabbi rabbi rabbi

/sigh

I think the PETA crowd is a bunch of dipshits over all, but even a stopped clock is right twice per day. Animal cruelty does exist should be stopped, even if PETA wackos blow things out of proportion.

[S.A.M.]

Would seem that protectionism is more at play than anything else:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29841

Apparently the Swiss people have their own views on the matter:

There was a backlash against a proposal to lift the ban in 2002.[32] "In 2002, when the Swiss government attempted to lift the century-old ban, animal rights activists, extremist political groups (on the left and the right), and unaffiliated citizens expressed violent opposition. They called shechita practice a "barbaric" and "sanguinary," an "archaic tradition from the time of the ghettos," and asked Jews to either become vegetarian or leave the country."

[spidergoat]

It's actually quite humane. Animal cruelty is against Jewish law.

[S.A.M.]

So is beheading, but you won't find anyone advocating it in public squares [I use it for my rats though]. Appearances trump facts, in general.

[Ganymede]

Who would be foolish enough to debate anything sourced from the world nut daily?

[Ganymede]

It's actually quite humane. Animal cruelty is against Jewish law.

Have you seen how Kosher beef is made? That's some stance against animal cruelty. Not that I'm singling them out but the "kosher" process is horrendous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJT2WwqwANM

[Cowboy]

There is a difference between halaal and kosher, under German laws an animal must be stunned before slaughter. Muslims have no problem with that since halaal laws say nothing about not stunning, kosher laws specify the animal cannot be injured.

We're version 2.0

I've read that both it and Kosher have rules against stunning. Was what I read wrong, or has the rule been changed for Muslims?

[Cowboy]

But that is not what is happening, again the Jews are being singled out, as has been the habit of Europeans and acted against.

You mean like how people in many European countries can be punished by the government for not believing the Holocaust occurred? No doubt that Jews in Europe (and everywhere else, really) have been persecuted at one time or another. I just have my doubts that anti-Semitism is behind this law

[Cowboy]

Who would be foolish enough to debate anything sourced from the world nut daily?

The information regarding the passing of the laws is probably fairly accurate. It's their speculation regarding the intent of the laws that I question.

[spidergoat]

Have you seen how Kosher beef is made? That's some stance against animal cruelty. Not that I'm singling them out but the "kosher" process is horrendous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJT2WwqwANM

It only looks bad because there is alot of blood. The knives must be razor sharp.