God...who believes?

[Enmos]

ok so, in regards to god, there's some building blocks yet undiscovered.

You mean the building blocks that he made the universe with ?

[Enmos]

i don't think i'm very good at convincing. lol...

lol
You might be though, he seems to be more close to you and your experiences than most here.

[Lori_7]

You mean the building blocks that he made the universe with ?

no i mean as to what god actually is.

[Lori_7]

lol
You might be though, he seems to be more close to you and your experiences than most here.

do you find me to be convincing enmos?

[Enmos]

no i mean as to what god actually is.

Huh ? Are you suggesting that God formed himself, or that something else formed God ?

[Enmos]

do you find me to be convincing enmos?

Regarding the whole God thing, not particularly.

[Lori_7]

Huh ? Are you suggesting that God formed himself, or that something else formed God ?

i'm suggesting that i don't understand what god is. i really tend to think that god is law. that would explain a lot.

[Enmos]

i'm suggesting that i don't understand what god is. i really tend to think that god is law. that would explain a lot.

The laws of nature cannot exist in absence of nature.

[Lori_7]

Regarding the whole God thing, not particularly.

whatever.

[Lori_7]

The laws of nature cannot exist on their own.

on their own without what?

[Enmos]

on their own without what?

I edited

[Lori_7]

The laws of nature cannot exist in absence of nature.

why not?

you can have a plan without any action. you can have a design without any execution.

[Enmos]

whatever.

Huh? What did you expect? You know you didn't cause me to believe in God..
And you said yourself that others cannot be convinced by your personal experiences.

[Enmos]

why not?

you can have a plan without any action. you can have a design without any execution.

Both the plan and the design need nature to exist.
It's not natural law that creates nature, it's nature that composes natural law. Or more accurately (I think), nature IS natural law.

[Lori_7]

Huh? What did you expect? You know you didn't cause me to believe in God..
And you said yourself that others cannot be convinced by your personal experiences.

i know that, but crap enmos...you know i'm not a liar, and by now you should also know i'm not some nutcase. i asked if i was convincing, not if you were convinced of god's existance because of me. there's a difference.

[Lori_7]

Both the plan and the design need nature to exist.
It's not natural law that creates nature, it's nature that composes natural law. Or more accurately (I think), nature IS natural law.

hm...not sure if i'm buying that. BUT, then what if god is all of nature?

[Enmos]

i know that, but crap enmos...you know i'm not a liar, and by now you should also know i'm not some nutcase. i asked if i was convincing, not if you were convinced of god's existance because of me. there's a difference.

But that's all we've ever talked about.
I think that you believe that you experienced God, but I'm not convinced that it was really God that you experienced. I'm not calling you a liar.
You can't ask if you are convincing in general, it needs a context.
For what it's worth, I think you are a decent and honest person and probably very pleasant to be around (as long as you aren't talking to God while ignoring me ).

[Enmos]

hm...not sure if i'm buying that. BUT, then what if god is all of nature?

Then why call it God? Why the personification ?

[glaucon]

i have no choice.

So, you're saying you don't believe then.

[Enmos]

So, you're saying you don't believe then.

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