A look at the new Health Care bill and what is in it...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by cosmictraveler, Jul 29, 2009.

  1. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Chairman Obama wants to ram his gargantuan healthcare bill down our throats before anyone realizes what's in it. What doesn't he want us to see? Some examples, from a quick inventory by Family Security Matters:


    Pg 22 of the HC Bill mandates the Government will audit books of all employers that self insure.
    Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill — a Government committee (good luck with that!) will decide what treatments/benefits a person may receive.
    Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill — YOUR HEALTHCARE WILL BE RATIONED!
    Pg 42 of HC Bill — The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you.
    PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill — HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise.
    Pg 58 HC Bill — Government will have real-time access to individual's finances and a National ID Healthcard will be issued!
    Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your bank accts for election funds transfer.
    PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations (read: ACORN).
    Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Government will create an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Government control.
    PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill — Government mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example — Translation for illegal aliens.
    Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Government will use groups, i.e. ACORN & Americorps, to sign up individuals for Government HC plan.
    PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill — Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members — your Health care WILL be rationed.
    PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill — Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
    pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue Government on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Government Monopoly.
    pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill — Doctors/ AMA — The Government will tell YOU what you can earn.
    Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE.
    Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.
    Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.)
    Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (the GOVERNMENT) will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records.
    PG 203 Line 14-15 HC — "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that.
    Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.
    Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill — Doctors — doesn't matter what specialty — will all be paid the same.
    PG 253 Line 10-18 Government sets value of Doctor's time, professional judgment, etc. Literally, value of humans.
    PG 265 Sec 1131 Government mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.
    Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government tells Doctors what/how much they can own.
    Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion — Government will mandate hospitals cannot expand.
    Pg 354 Sec 1177 — Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!
    PG 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consultations. Think Senior Citizens end of life prodding.
    PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in how to die.
    PG 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life. The Government has a say in how your life ends.
    PG 429 Lines 10-12 "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from the Government to end a life!
    Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATION. 1 monthly payment to a community-based organization. (Like ACORN?)


    There's plenty more. See for yourself: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf
    This bill would drive unemployment, taxes, and the deficit through the stratosphere. It would turn hospitals into the DMV, dramatically reduce our access to healthcare, let bureaucratic slime decide when it's time for us to die, and guarantee that no one in his right mind goes to medical school. As for the damage this would do to individual liberty — let's just say that any doubts about the Moonbat Messiah being a socialist have been put to rest.
    If this nightmare bill isn't Obama's Waterloo, then it's America's. Pass this on to everyone you know
     
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  3. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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    You know, I'm opposed to this health care bill, however, I have to say, this isn't really the very good critical appraisal. I have a hard time taking seriously someone that can't pick out any good points and sees only bad points.

    Partisan much?

    What ever happened to intelligent debate in this country? It's all partisan politics now. *sigh*
     
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  5. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    I've posted the link if you want to take a close look at the entire package. I just thought that by pointing out some of the bad parts it would show that much work is still needed to get a better bill through Congress than this one is. As you see in this bill there are many things which need to be eliminated or changed and the items posted are up for debate as well. If there's something good about the ones I've posted then tell us by all means.
     
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  7. Jozen-Bo The Wheel Spinning King!!! Registered Senior Member

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    I think choosing the bad points may help draw attention to this bill...so I see no harm in that myself. And I must admit that I find most of those measures to be insane and draconian...the government granting itself more power again and again...we appear to be getting closer to marshal law...

    There where a few points, however, that looked good...just a few in the face of so many more that look and sound like "take-over" bull-hunky. So far, from what I've seen the bill looks lousy and painful. I will have to read the entire package using the link that Cosmo provided to make my finding this bill easier.

    Though it looks like shit...it would be unfair not to look at the whole bill and weigh the pros against the cons.

    So..................................
     
  8. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    I think you have a lot spin going on and are reading a lot into the bill that does not exist in the bill.

    http://energycommerce.house.gov/ind...ealth-care-reform&catid=156:reports&Itemid=55

    I take it by "guiding senior citizens on how to die" you are refering to the option that provides all citizens with a living will option. Living wills are nothing new and are highly recommended by all estate planners even now. A lot of folks have them, my family does. What is draconian about a living will? The living will would be made available on the insurance exchange site.

    Your summarization is really misleading and in many instances just down right false.

    http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/hr3200_13reasons.pdf

    This is what a living will does for those in need of explanation:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_health_care_directive

    "A living will usually provides specific directives about the course of treatment that is to be followed by health care providers and caregivers. "
     
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  9. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    went bye bye with intelligent people
     
  10. lucifers angel same shit, differant day!! Registered Senior Member

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    is there free health care in USA? i know its not free in the UK its paid for at source
     
  11. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    There is no health care that is free, someone pays for it, and it isn't the Government, they have to take money from the Tax payer to pay for anything, so no matter what, in the end you pay the freight and the Government increases the cost.
     
  12. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    seems to me all your comments are gross mischaracterizations or attacks on good ideas from reading the first fifth of your list.


    Um wow just because you hate Obama for no reason its not a reason to just make shit up.
     
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  13. Jozen-Bo The Wheel Spinning King!!! Registered Senior Member

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    Maybe they are gross mischaracterizations...

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    Some of these allegations, if true, would be disaster for individual rights. I am going to have to really carefully read that for myself and see if these statements add up in my mind as it interprets them...can any of them be directly copied quotes for example...or are they mis/interpretations...

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  14. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    No you cannot take them as presented in the OP. The OP "mischaracterizes" (to be nice) all of the listed provisions.
     

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