All homosexuals should be stoned to death, says Muslim preacher

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  1. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    All homosexuals should face stoning to death, a Muslim preacher of hate declared yesterday.

    Anjem Choudary, the firebrand cleric who wants to see Britain ruled by Sharia law, said such a regime was the only way to fix the country's ills.

    Under it, adulterers and homosexuals would be killed by stoning. Asked if that would include anybody - even a Cabinet minister such as Business Secretary Lord Mandelson - Choudary responded with an astonishing diatribe.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-stoned-death-says-Muslim-preacher-hate.html
     
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  3. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I think Fred Phelps would agree with him.
     
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  5. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I would only correct this to say that it's not a product of hate, it's a product of theology.
     
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  7. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    But it's for the "collective good" according to them right? So it's fine according to you, the individual doesn't matter.
     
  8. wsionynw Master Queef Valued Senior Member

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    This kind of talk is so self-defeating it almost makes me wonder if they actually want to hurt the Muslims of the UK.

    I like the rules though "four eye witnesses", just some guys masturbating while watching you fuck another guy, then running off to tell on you.
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I'm surprised the guy is still preaching in the UK.
     
  10. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    They do not need to justify it except by repeating that it's in their holy book. It might be for the public good or not, doesn't matter, it's what God wants.
     
  11. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    it's a product of hate. people can and do use all kinds of things, including theology to justify it.
     
  12. wsionynw Master Queef Valued Senior Member

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    We're not allowed to stone him to death ;o)
     
  13. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    That's irrelevant. My point was you think the collective good is all that matters so what they're saying is fine
     
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Which holy book is that?
     
  15. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I would disagree that any collective good is served by descrimination against homosexuals. In fact, it's unlimited breeding that it causing harm to society.

    Prohibitions on homosexuality are common to all the Abrahamic religions.

    The theology came first, the self-righteous hate follows.
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    The EU would disagree with you, they are suffering from being forced to take in immigrants that are culturally not homogenous to their society, due to poor population replacement.

    So are prohibitions on lying and cheating. How does that justify stoning?

    Is that true for all moral values or only this one?
     
  17. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Population growth does have economic benefits, to a degree, but short term economic benefits do not necessarily translate into long term good.
     
  18. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    i find this to be a ridiculous statement. no offense, but hate has definitely been around longer than theology.
     
  19. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    The "collective" good is the sum of the "individuals" good. Are you on this eugenics kick again, just wearing different clothes? (figuratively)

    Does anyone think that the sort of rabid, ignorant, bigoted hatred mentioned in the OP will finally die out, or are we stuck with it as long as human kind exists? I mean, what does it take to get rid of these kind of thought patterns?

    Plus, half* the time the people espousing this sort putrid drivel turn out to be gay or adulterous or whatever themselves. I have to admit I sort of revel in it when they are caught practicing the very behavior they are so adamantly denouncing...
    *no, I have no statistics or links available to back up the "half" figure, merely hyperbole representing "some".
     
  20. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    If it's in the theology, then there need not be any hate accompanied with it. Can religious people pick and choose which tenets of theology to follow according to modern ideas about which are hateful?
     
  21. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    It's in many hadith, which as we know is where you put Islamic rules so as to avoid criticism of the Qu'ran.
     
  22. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    well, from what i see, interpretation and context is 9/10, not being overly familiar with the muslim religion or it's texts. also theists do indeed pick and choose scriptures out of context to justify their hate. some christians do the very same thing and would agree with this muslim minister, but in the bible jesus is very clear about who is fit to judge "let he who is without sin cast the first stone", and that the overriding commandment is to love each other.
     
  23. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    The bible is not very clear, which is why some sections contradict others. Basically, sometimes humans are evil, but if you want them to be evil all the time, that takes religion.
     
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