05-31-09, 08:56 AM #21
I know it's true, but you have to use a lot of strong stuff. Hell, aspirin can be toxic for some people.
05-31-09, 09:09 AM #22
no you dont. where do you get this stuff from? a few good hits of very high thc weed (one or two) and that will send a new smoker for a loop that is not really much different from doing a small line of heroin.
Hell, aspirin can be toxic for some people.
05-31-09, 09:15 AM #23
And it's not strawman. It's a point that many "harmless" things we consume are toxic. Just because you're not taking to get high doesn't mean it's not valid.
05-31-09, 09:26 AM #24
05-31-09, 09:28 AM #25
i am not talking about weed someone grows in their back yard garden because i think you need to know what your doing to get potent weed.
05-31-09, 09:29 AM #26
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05-31-09, 09:31 AM #28
It's VERY distinguishable. Have you actually used heroin? What do you mean "just as high?" Completely different highs. Affects different parts of the brain/spinal cord; it affects things VERY differently. Heroin gets you high by causing a thickening at the base of your spinal cord nerves. Pot gets you high by the antibodies you produce when THC is consumed. Those affect VERY different things. What you're saying is so inaccurate.
05-31-09, 09:33 AM #29
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05-31-09, 09:38 AM #31
you may have done highly cut heroin and low thc weed but dont think that everyones experiences are similar.
Affects different parts of the brain/spinal cord; it affects things VERY differently. Heroin gets you high by causing a thickening at the base of your spinal cord nerves. Pot gets you high by the antibodies you produce when THC is consumed. Those affect VERY different things. What you're saying is so inaccurate.
05-31-09, 09:40 AM #32
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05-31-09, 09:54 AM #37
John, because you insist on calling me a liar in an area I know about, I'm going to make this very easy for you:
"Opioid drugs block pain signals by attaching to special receptors in the body. These receptors are found in the joints, skin, spinal cord and brain. The reason that we have natural opioid receptors in our body is that our body manufactures its own opioids...."
These receptors that thicken the nerves at the base of your spinal cord also get you high as well as relieve pain, champ.
On pot: "The great majority of these effects of THC are mediated by cannabinoid receptor type 1 (CB1), which is abundantly expressed in the central nervous system."
That is VERY simple to understand. Other than they both affect parts of the nervous system, they're not all that similar.
The most notable difference is that with heroin, you get your biggest rush the first time and the affect lessens over time, meaning you need more smack. People who smoke pot don't naturally produce the antibodies for THC all the time, so they may feel little to nothing when they first smoke it.
05-31-09, 10:12 AM #38
i am not calling you a liar it is just that you are wrong about the main point of discussion here. the thing with heroin is that the potency is so much easier to regulate that an imbecile can figure out that more of part a dilutes part b. with weed this is not the case but THC is very powerful for first time users and is similar to doing heroin for the first time user who may happen to get ahold of high thc weed. which is very possible. thats all.
The most notable difference is that with heroin, you get your biggest rush the first time and the affect lessens over time, meaning you need more smack.
05-31-09, 10:19 AM #39
One last thing on THC and then I officially give up and you are welcomed to stay ignorant:
...many first-time users feel nothing at all....
I can explain the biochemical reason for this, but I am not going to waste my energy just so you can disagree based on nothing.
05-31-09, 12:13 PM #40
i think that what is happening afa statistics are concerned is due to two factors. one i mentioned previously is that there is really no way to gauge the potency of the weed the respondents to any surveys are referring to.
another important factor that i just recently thought of is that people do metabolize weed differently. the variance can be enough to throw statistics of and that is in addition to the first point. so it is hard to say the main thing to realize is that i am not saying the weed is more dangerous than heroin because it isnt and the withdrwals from weed are not in the same league as heroin. i simply said the feeling for a user who is trying them for the first time can be similar.
of course similar comparisons can be made to alcohol and hard drugs in that if a young person drinks enough they can get incredibly intoxicated and even die. you drink enough grain alcohol and you are in big trouble.
afa grading intoxicants and which substances are more dangerous, my views fall in line with the norm and what can be termed factual information. so really it is just a misunderstanding. i think that the physical danger part of this is what you are missing too or is just a misunderstanding. first time heroin users can be in for a bad surprise...iotw's kicking the bucket.
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