Did They See Into The Future or See Into the Past?

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  1. Sawklwrd Banned Banned

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    "He...hangeth the earth upon nothing." -- Job 26:7

    "So he [Mars] spoke, and ordered Deimos and Phobos to harness." -- Homer, poet, Iliad,

    "He [Democritus] said that the ordered worlds are boundless and differ in size, and that in some there is neither sun nor moon, but that in others, both are greater than with us, and yet with others more in number. And that the intervals between the ordered worlds are unequal, here more and there less, and that some increase, others flourish and others decay, and here they come into being and there they are eclipsed. But that they are destroyed by colliding with one another. And that some ordered worlds are bare of animals and plants and all water." -- Hippolytus, priest, 2nd century

    "There is a red spot in Jupiter which rotates mathematically." -- Johannes Kepler, astronomer, 1610

    "When it is noted how very close [Jonathan] Swift came to the truth, not only in merely predicting two small moons but also the salient features of their orbits, there seems little doubt that this is the most astounding 'prophecy' of the past thousand years as to whose full authenticity there is not a shadow of doubt." -- C.P. Olivier, astronomer, 1943

    "He [Kepler] accordingly believed that Galileo had discovered two moons around Mars." -- Arthur Koestler, polymath, 1959

    "As I have shown in Worlds in Collision ('The Steeds of Mars') the poets Homer and Virgil knew of the trabants of Mars, visualized as his steeds, named Deimos (Terror) and Phobos (Rout). Kepler referred to the satellites of Mars as being 'burning' or 'flaming', the same way the ancients had referred to the steeds of Mars." -- Immanuel Velikovsky, cosmologist, ~1960-70

    "The wondrous thing is: how could Kepler have known of the red spot in Jupiter, then not yet discovered? It was discovered by J. D. Cassini in the 1660’s, after the time of Kepler and Galileo. Kepler’s assumption that Galileo had discovered a red spot in Jupiter amazes and defies every statistical chance of being a mere guess. But the possibility is not excluded that Kepler found the information in some Arab author or some other source, possibly of Babylonian or Chinese origin. Kepler did not disclose what the basis of his reference to the red spot of Jupiter was — he could not have arrived at it either by logic and deduction or by sheer guesswork. A scientific prediction must follow from a theory as a logical consequence. Kepler had no theory on that. It is asserted that the Chinese observed solar spots many centuries before Galileo did with his telescope. Observing solar spots, the ancients could have conceivably observed the Jovian red spot, too. Jesuit scholars traveled in the early 17th century to China to study Chinese achievements in astronomy." -- Immanuel Velikovsky, cosmologist, ~1960-70

    "Jonathan Swift, in his Gulliver’s Travels (1726) tells of the astronomers of the imaginary land of the Laputans who asserted they had discovered that the planet Mars has 'two lesser stars, or satellites, which revolve about Mars, whereof the innermost is distant from the center of the primary planet exactly three of [its] diameters, and the outermost Five; the former revolves in the space of ten hours, and the latter in twenty-one-and-a-half; so that the squares of their periodical times are very near in the same proportion with the cubes of their distance from the center of Mars, which evidently shows them to be governed by the same law of gravitation that influences the other heavenly bodies.'" -- Immanuel Velikovsky, cosmologist, ~1960-1970
     
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  3. draqon Banned Banned

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    the present
     
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  5. stereologist Escapee from Dr Moreau Registered Senior Member

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    In the case of Velikovsky we know the answer is silliness.
     
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  7. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    Hmmm.....Captain Cook did not discover the Hawaiian Islands
     
  8. stereologist Escapee from Dr Moreau Registered Senior Member

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  9. stereologist Escapee from Dr Moreau Registered Senior Member

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    What are you talking about?
     
  10. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    They wrote stories in which they used their imaginations.

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  11. brokenpower Registered Senior Member

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    and then?
     
  12. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    They made very good guesses I would suppose. :shrug:
     

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