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    Mourning in America madanthonywayne's Avatar
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    Tea Parties Spread across Nation

    Inspired by the famous Boston Tea Party and this famous rant by Rick Santelli in February of this year:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEZB4taSEoA
    Americans across the nation gathered today to protest unprecedented levels of federal spending that, many fear, will leave our nation burdened with a debt it can never repay.

    http://www.nowhampshire.com/2009/04/...t-state-house/
    Chants like "Give me liberty, not debt" and "Our kids can't afford you" were heard across several U.S. cities Wednesday as anti-tax "tea party" protesters took to the streets to voice their opposition to big government spending.

    Thousands of protesters -- some dressed in colonial wigs with tea bags hanging from their eyeglasses -- showed up in states from California to Kentucky to Massachusetts, holding signs and reading speeches lambasting the Obama administration's tax-and-spend policies.

    The demonstrations are part of a larger grassroots movement against government spending called Taxed Enough Already, or TEA -- giving name to the Tax Day Tea Parties -- and come more than 235 years after the original Boston Tea Party revolt against taxes.

    Protesters gathered in cities across the country.

    Shouts rang out from Kentucky, which just passed tax increases on cigarettes and alcohol, to Salt Lake City, where many in the crowd booed Republican Gov. Jon Huntsman for accepting about $1.5 billion in stimulus money. Even in Alaska, where there is no statewide income tax or sales tax, hundreds of people held signs and chanted "No more spending."

    "Frankly, I'm mad as hell," said businessman Doug Burnett at a rally at the Iowa Capitol, where many of the about 1,000 people wore red shirts declaring "revolution is brewing." Burnett added: "This country has been on a spending spree for decades, a spending spree we can't afford." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...ests-expected/

    Emotions are running high, and there is even talk of seceding from the union!:
    Texas Gov. Rick Perry fired up an anti-tax "tea party" Wednesday with his stance against the federal government and for states' rights as some in his U.S. flag-waving audience shouted, "Secede!"

    An animated Perry told the crowd at Austin City Hall — one of three tea parties he was attending across the state — that officials in Washington have abandoned the country's founding principles of limited government. He said the federal government is strangling Americans with taxation, spending and debt.

    Perry repeated his running theme that Texas' economy is in relatively good shape compared with other states and with the "federal budget mess." Many in the crowd held signs deriding President Barack Obama and the $786 billion federal economic stimulus package.

    Perry called his supporters patriots. Later, answering news reporters' questions, Perry suggested Texans might at some point get so fed up they would want to secede from the union, though he said he sees no reason why Texas should do that.

    "There's a lot of different scenarios," Perry said. "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot." http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...D97J48IO2.html
    Here's Santelli commenting on the phenomenon he inspired:
    http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=ydSUqGkUnz
    The question is, is this the begining of a real movement perhaps similiar to the "angry white male" movement of the nineties that arose in response to early Clinton misteps, or a one time protest tied to April 15 (tax day). And, if it does continue, will it help propel the GOP back into power, or spur the development of a third party that would actually help the Democrats by spliting the conservative vote?

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    Well...no one gets to secede, since that involves taking our stuff, but people who fail to love America are free to emigrate.

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    I am happy to see the protests against coercion and theft by the government.

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    oh for god sake norsefire. if it wasnt for taxation you would be to illeterate to use a god dam computer, not to mention you wouldnt have access to a network which would ALOW you to sprout your drivil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asguard View Post
    oh for god sake norsefire. if it wasnt for taxation you would be to illeterate to use a god dam computer, not to mention you wouldnt have access to a network which would ALOW you to sprout your drivil

    Asguard, you are confusing the provision of services with the state provision of services.

    In other words, you are assuming ONLY the government can provide us with a network and schools. This is obviously untrue.

    Also, it's an argument that tries to justify theft by making excuses and saying "well they give you x back"

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    Texas has been asking to secede from inception. In my opinion Texas should be its own nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CheskiChips View Post
    Texas has been asking to secede from inception. In my opinion Texas should be its own nation.
    Absolutely.

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    I think these protests are evidence of Obama pushing too hard to move us too far to the left too quickly. Newton's laws of motion seem to apply to politics as well as physics. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madanthonywayne View Post
    I think these protests are evidence of Obama pushing too hard to move us too far to the left too quickly. Newton's laws of motion seem to apply to politics as well as physics. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
    I knew Obama would turn out like this

    Apparantly flashy words and slogans are enough for Americans to decide where their votes should go

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    Quote Originally Posted by madanthonywayne View Post
    I think these protests are evidence of Obama pushing too hard to move us too far to the left too quickly. Newton's laws of motion seem to apply to politics as well as physics. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
    possably but you have to concider the way your political system is structured. He was elected on a platform of putting in place a universal health care system, he also has a major melt down of the ecconomy to deal with. He probably knows that if he DOESNT get at least the basics of a universal system in place before he leaves office it could be 100 years before anyone can try again, he also knows that if he doesnt deal with the economic situation that it will be 100 years before the COUNTRY can funtion again. There for he has to do both and he only really has 3 years to get it done because there is no garentiee he will win the next election. There for it could just be a case that he doesnt feel he has the latitude to work more slowly

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    What's so great about universal health care?

    Why can't that be provided privately? Why can't infrastructure and schools and aid be provided by free people choosing to provide it?

    If people want to aid the poor so much, then they can do it themselves. And I will help. By choice.

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    because it costs more is the main reason.

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    oh and because thats what people have chosen to demand from there goverments

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asguard View Post
    because it costs more is the main reason.
    It doesn't cost any more (in fact it likely would cost less); what you mean to say is that you'd have less money to spend. But does that give you the right to take my money, then, for your purpose?

    In a free market people are free to aid and assist and provide. No problem with that.


    Anyway, this is kind of off topic although interesting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asguard View Post
    oh and because thats what people have chosen to demand from there goverments
    Nonsense #2

    "the people" is a meaningless term; we are individuals.

    Terms like "society" or "the people" are illusions, because nobody can concretely define what society or the people really are, and what "their" opinion is; you might say a MAJORITY of people want this or that, but you can't say "the people"

    And if the majority of people want something, the majority of people are free to get it without affecting the minority that don't. Simple.

    Then why don't those that demand it pay for it and ONLY them?

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    if the minority DONT want something, they are free to recruite enough people to vote against it

    Time and again people have pointed out to you that we WANT to live in a democrasy rather than under anarky.

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    oh and no, i mean it costs less per pt to provid universal health care than to provide a private system. The higher goverment fund is as a percentage of total health care cost, the lower the total health care cost is.

    Thats shown in WHO statistics

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    Apparantly flashy words and slogans are enough for Americans to decide where their votes should go

    and the alternative was??

    the guy who had Phil Graham..He was a senior economic adviser to John McCain's presidential campaign from the summer of 2007 until July 18, 2008.

    He has been referred to as the "high priest" of the deregulation efforts widely blamed for the 2008-2009 bank and economic crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asguard View Post
    possably but you have to concider the way your political system is structured. He was elected on a platform of putting in place a universal health care system, he also has a major melt down of the ecconomy to deal with. He probably knows that if he DOESNT get at least the basics of a universal system in place before he leaves office it could be 100 years before anyone can try again, he also knows that if he doesnt deal with the economic situation that it will be 100 years before the COUNTRY can funtion again. There for he has to do both and he only really has 3 years to get it done because there is no garentiee he will win the next election. There for it could just be a case that he doesnt feel he has the latitude to work more slowly
    Yes, but as I've noted before, Obama's biggest problem is a lack of priorities. A lack of focus. By trying to do everything at once he dilutes his own strength while simultaneously pissing off (and mobilizing) the maximum number of people to oppose his efforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madanthonywayne View Post
    I think these protests are evidence of Obama pushing too hard to move us too far to the left too quickly. Newton's laws of motion seem to apply to politics as well as physics. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
    Obama has not pushed at all. Compared to Bush Obama is a motionless statue. Bush pushed.

    If you think Obama is pushing too hard to fast or if you think that Obama has any similarity to Hitler then you have drunk too much too much right wing media Kool-Aid.

    When Bush deficit spent and gave money to corrupt bankrupt Wall Street firms most of right wing media would not criticize Bush but when Obama does more of the same right wing media call him Hitler.

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