Muslim pilot prayed instead of taking emergency action to land plane... 16 dead

never fly with Muslim pilot
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...g-emergency-action-plane-crash-killed-16.html

 

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This would've fit well in the Absurdities Of Religion thread.

It's sad & I suspect this kind of thing happens much more than we're aware of.

 

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So lets get this straight. The pilot who attempted to crash land a plane and saved half the passengers, is in jail and the technicians who made the mistake are not?

 

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You have to wonder how many people would have "Oh my God" when the thing was going down. Just because he chose to pray and say it in his native tongue, hes a criminal. Funny stuff. Forget the fact that he saved peoples lives because of a fault that he possibly couldnt have known about. Funny stuff

 

Hey, it worked. He's still kicking. The Lord works in mysterious ways (cough!)

 

According to the article he's in jail because he paused and panicked before doing the emergency procedure.

Not because of praying...
Spin makes for "good" headlines

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From the article:

 

What? it wasnt because he prayed?! Wow! I really thought for a sec it was because of the article and all...

*sigh* I should really start using /sarcasm more

 

I can't imagine this kind of sentencing in the US, even if the pilot showed this degree of insolence. You take a certain degree of risk getting on a flight, and the company takes a large degree of responsibility in hiring competent pilots.

 

how was it insolence?

He froze which is one of the responces to a stressful situation, flight, fight or frezze. He then managed to pull himself out of that and save the lives of the people he could.

Lets look at an example, say that in the responce to the victorian bush fires, the twin towers incident, the tsnarmie ect a single responder had frozen on arival and said "shit, what the fuck" or something similar. You going to blame him for the deaths that followed or are you going to accept that its a normal responce to the bodie's stress coping being overwhelmed due to an acute situation. Hell i had trouble getting first aiders to actually follow there own first aid protocals for a badly sprained ankle and thats with 2 of us being well trained in emergency care and they STILL wanted to fight me on the treatment (and that was just an ice pack, god help me if she was having a heart atack)

what idocy, they should be getting praise not jail

 

bells what would your reaction be if all your engins suddenly stopped?

to give an example from my world, an ambulance is called out cat 2 (lights and sirens) to a car crash and finds this:

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Whats your first reaction (even as a trained paramedic)?
there are 2 acronims the actual ambos teach us at uni:

OGIH- Oh God its horible (MCI level 1-2)
OGIFH- Oh God is fucking horible (MCI level 2-3)

Basically when the operators get these they actually have to take control of the ETHANE report from the ambos alot of the time because they are simply overwhelmed by what they are seeing.

I think finding that all of your engins are suddenly not working counts as something which would overwhelm most people, even those trained to handle situations

 

note: im not 100% sure on those acronims, i know they are along those lines but i havent herd them in a while

 

i honestly dont know, i would HOPE that i wouldnt be one of the people paralised but it is something which has happened to me before (before i actually started this training i must admit, i was a civilan at a fatal M\B crash in victoria and when i saw the extent of the guys injuries i froze and then fleed on the pretence of going back for my mobile to call the ambos, seeing a guys spine ripped from his body wasnt something i was ready for). First time people see that sort of stuff alot of them throw up insted of treating, others rush right in and get the job done. We HOPE that as people get more and more exposed to these sorts of incidences there reaction will tend towards the treat but some people cant handle it and do quit after incidence like this. I just hope that when its me im one of the ones who treats rather than faints or throws up but i cant garentie that.

Some people even end up running away from incidence that would be concidered routine because they have simply reached there breaking point as far as the chronic stress is concerned.

Im surprised that your unwilling to give them the benifit of the doubt, they had no one else to turn to, they were compleatly alone and there plane had just shut down all of its engins and they probably didnt have a clue why. To be quite frank with you i have thought ALOT about this recently, this semester is when it gets serious and i go out on the emerg trucks and i have no idea what i will get. It could well BE that, alot of my friends last year had hangings on there first placements (5-6 with in a week) and i dont know how they coped with it or how i will and to be honest the thought that i would run away rather than doing my job scares me. No one can tell how they will react when push comes to shove, no matter how many simulations you do. It may well have been correct that they lose there jobs, though its possable they could have been retrained and would have reacted differently next time. But to throw them in jail for 10 years over it is ridiculas

 

Life goes on ... for the living

I think the important point is being outshined by the detail:

(1) The pilot and co-pilot screwed up.
(2) It's religion's fault! The pilot and co-pilot screwed up.
(3) It's religion's fault! The pilot and co-pilot screwed up.
(4) It's religion's fault! The pilot and co-pilot screwed up.
(5) It's religion's fault! The pilot and co-pilot screwed up.
(6) &c., and so on, ad infinitum ....​

People are human. These two, unfortunately, didn't have what it took. I can't make any cultural judgment on this. I'm an American, and we've had planes crash because the pilot had seventeen rum and diet cokes prior to takeoff. Not everybody has the right stuff for what they're doing. Unfortunately, some of those people have the lives of others depending on them.

Life goes on. For the living.

 

My guess is that the muslim pilots used prayer as a device to control themselves before taking emergency measures. Sort of like taking a deep breath, only of course it turns out to be several with some stretches of talking to some invisible dude in between. Not good.
That, of course, is assuming they actually did that. The article states the lawyers "claimed" they did this. Well, there is a black box, and flight recordings. Did they or didn't they?
It ain't hard, media boys.

Against that, we have another guy who, religious or not, assesses the situation, makes a decision and lands his plane in a river. No casualties.

See, this isn't about religion. This is about a couple of twits who were incapable of making fast decisions under extreme pressure without advice, higher power or no, given a responsibility they were apparently not ready for.
Reaction time is critical in any emergency situation. If these guys did take the time to pray, S.A.M, then do not seek to wave red herrings in front of the audience by claiming the ground crew should be the ones in jail.
That may be true. And it appears they are.

But it does not excuse the pilots actions in any shape or form.

Not that I'd expect much else from you. And we don't need to ask how different your post might have been had the pilots been israelis, do we?
Ad Hominem is fun.

The simple fact is that any good pilot would have done would he needed to do, and then bang his head on the ground to whatever sky-being he desires after getting down safely. Preferably without the usual CNN-style "I owe it all to god" crap afterwards. Privately, thank you very much.

 

But that is when you are training, that's normal, trainees are expected to make mistakes. That's why they are supervised. If I were lying broken and bloodied on the road, and the qualified paramedic who was meant to stabilise me lost his nerve and started to pray instead of treating me, I'd be more than a little pissed. Why is he in the job if he can't cope?

 

the 18 who did not die, what advantage did they have that the 16 who died did not?

 

Because they saved 16 lives on a plane where they thought they had more fuel than they did?

According to the report

So the passengers would have been better off if they land on ground instead of water? If they had landed a couple minutes earlier? He did a textbook case of crash landing, without fuel. I don't know anything about planes, but I fail to see what he could have done without fuel.