http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-mysterious-stones-mark-site-Garden-Eden.html An amazing discovery in Turkey sheds light on the religious beliefs of early man. These stone carvings date back to 13,000 years ago, when the region was a paradise of forests and meadows. Archeologists speculate that as people gathered to create this temple, they created agriculture to feed everyone. Seen in this way, the Eden story, in Genesis, tells us of humanity's innocent and leisured hunter-gatherer past, when we could pluck fruit from the trees, scoop fish from the rivers and spend the rest of our days in pleasure. But then we 'fell' into the harsher life of farming, with its ceaseless toil and daily grind. And we know primitive farming was harsh compared to the relative indolence of hunting, because of the archaeological evidence. As we began farming, we changed the landscape and the climate. When the trees were chopped down, the soil leached away; all that ploughing and reaping left the land eroded and bare. What was once an agreeable oasis became a land of stress, toil and diminishing returns. And so, paradise was lost. Adam the hunter was forced out of his glorious Eden, 'to till the earth from whence he was taken' - as the Bible puts it. A few years ago, archaeologists at nearby Cayonu unearthed a hoard of human skulls. They were found under an altar-like slab, stained with human blood. No one is sure, but this may be the earliest evidence for human sacrifice: one of the most inexplicable of human behaviours and one that could have evolved only in the face of terrible societal stress. Experts may argue over the evidence at Cayonu. But what no one denies is that human sacrifice took place in this region, spreading to Palestine, Canaan and Israel. Archaeological evidence suggests that victims were killed in huge death pits, children were buried alive in jars, others roasted in vast bronze bowls. These are almost incomprehensible acts, unless you understand that the people had learned to fear their gods, having been cast out of paradise. So they sought to propitiate the angry heavens. This savagery may, indeed, hold the key to one final, bewildering mystery. The astonishing stones and friezes of Gobekli Tepe are preserved intact for a bizarre reason. Long ago, the site was deliberately and systematically buried in a feat of labour every bit as remarkable as the stone carvings.
I think the idealist view of what Hunter-Gatherer life was like is quite skewed. I seem to recall an analysis of the percent of population who died by the hand of another man being in steady decline since religion began, and slightly before. The idea it was beautiful is some pipe dream. People dying of every illness, bacteria, animals killing their children, tribes killing tribes, starving etc etc. There had to be a clear push factor towards agricultural development. The commonly thought pull factor of ready food supplies is not uniquely the reason. A permanent residence is more defensible, cleaner, less prone to illness, and overall deaths would have been less.
Well, that says enough right there, don't it? Ain't a helluva lot different to saying "Spidergoat speculates that...." or "Baron Max speculates that...." Speculation is the mainstay of news paper and news media sensationalism. Baron Max
Then there shouldn't be any "speculation" about it. They either have some evidence to back up their theories or they're nothing more than media pundits. Or perhaps worse, ...they're leaning on their credentials as "scientists" in order to be permitted wild, unsubstantiated speculation! They should be taken out behind the barn and shot, then hung. Baron Max
Let's see, the land was a paradise, agriculture accompanied by massive religious-based public works led to deforestation and erosion, which led to something so bad that the people resorted to human sacrifice. Did you read the article? The location satisfies the general requirements for a mythical eden.
Can they prove all that? Lots of places satisfies that "requirement". I know a couple of places in Texas that's close to being a paradise. So what? Spider, I'm not trying to be a bad-ass or a nasty bastard, I'm just so damned tired of all this damned "speculation" without substantive evidence. In this day and time, people are doing far more speculation than they are working and earning a living for their families. Speculation? What good is it? It does a lot of harm, but what good is it? For anyone? Baron Max
