Satan: Virtuous

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by Norsefire, Mar 21, 2009.

  1. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    What does satan really represent? It's all metaphorical, of course. And what does satan represent?

    Satan represents the rebellion against senseless authority. And Satan represents indulgence. And Satan represents absolute, unbounded freedom. Satan represents making yourself a god, the only god, of yourself.

    This is satan. And satan is...bad?

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  3. skaught The field its covered in blood Valued Senior Member

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    You've been reading LaVey!
     
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  5. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Hail Satan !! :mufc:
     
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  7. Clucky Registered Senior Member

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    Satan is less of a bastard than God.
     
  8. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    Selfish pursuits.

    Meaning most all of nature follow a specific rule "to live" and will instinctively do what is takes to survive.

    But mankind, is of choice and can go well beyond that scope of doing for survival.

    what authority? God is not an outside entity looking at man like pets. That is the 'zeus' kind of God (created by mankind) and not even existing in reality. That creation of a God on a thrown is of man's assessments as throughout history the rulers were often on a thrown, ruling, judging and giving or taking what life they chose.

    TO oberseve as Einstein did, (i believe HE is 'the garden').... then to observe all of nature (existence) itself as God, then God's 'authority' are the laws of nature rather than some dude sitting on a thrown as mankind has often painted as the picture. (like a pharoah)

    and mankind (consciousness) is the only thing in existence that can take beyond what is within nature.

    we created airplanes, nuclear weapons and the 'invisible hand' but satan as an entity of existence as being a cause can be likened to the selfishness of mankinds pursuits over the laws of nature (hence mankind "left the garden")

    Mankind began to think, they controlled or 'owned' nature.

    freedom of choice is what we all have.....

    using that 'freedom' to take for self, isolating self from reality, or simply do anything that is a 'loss to the common' is the same capacity as every human being to be a satan.

    Equally each makes their own choices and why so much focus on 'good and bad' is what religious moral obligations were all about. Most all religions know each person can defeat bad by just being honest with your choices.

    if you go in the back yard, plant a tree, water it and it grows, then as you sit with a chain saw in your hand, you are a god to that tree and all the critter in it.

    same as lying to someone: you put a fib into the mind of that person and now how they observe that scenario is bound to that 'creation' of a person

    i can choose to combine my seed with another to make a baby: i can create life!

    These scenarios share just how powerful human being can be within nature.

    That is what most need to understand; that we ARE responsible for our actions and whether of good or bad, we live in them 'doings' after we no longer have choice.

    The good will live (that tree will ooosually live well beyond a person) and to give of your time and energy to 'support life to continue' then you live in them gifts because of your choice

    The bad............ will eventually fade to extinction. (that is how God/nature works)

    Prehaps try genesis 3
    then

    the story is about choice being born

    the so called serpant did not fib; mankind is still alive and like 22 shares, the boss was happy, to say the least.

    but look at what is written versus how people think it is meant

    the various intrepretations have ruined the truth of the matter

    as i can clearly see, that the jehovah god isn't mad.... he seemed proud if you asked me


    21And Jehovah God doth make to the man and to his wife coats of skin, and doth clothe them.

    22And Jehovah God saith, `Lo, the man was as one of Us, as to the knowledge of good and evil; and now, lest he send forth his hand, and have taken also of the tree of life, and eaten, and lived to the age,'


    We all alive, so adam and eve did not die

    we have choice

    we are aware of compassion

    we can create life

    we have the very ability to understand good and evil ourselves!

    all that is left, is offering the comprehension so each can know "equally" how to do good rather than bad

    i believe this can be understood by having the comprehension of "what life is"

    and i say: light is life (the life of mass is the energy upon the mass)

    from that, the unfolding of truth is grounded in reality versus opinions

    that is why the last chapter is so focused on 'light' (energy upon mass)
     
  9. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    I've always liked Satan. He's sort of a Biblical version of Oliver Twist. Whenever God wants to regulate our free will to death he generally steps in to help us demonstrate the injustice of such action.
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Satan represents the ills of surfeit. And the need for moderation.
     
  11. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    You mean the mods are working for the devil?

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  12. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    SAM, if you're talking about religion then you couldn't have said it better.
     
  13. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Gods need to be moderated.
     
  14. Cellar_Door Whose Worth's unknown Registered Senior Member

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    I disagree, Norsefire.

    If Satan really is all about boundless freedom, decadence and indulgence, why is Hell the way it is? Why would a 'God' of immorality want to punish like-minded individuals?
    In many ways, the Devil is as controlling as God, but in possession of much less power and territory. He delights in playing his sadistic games with those he has trapped in his domain, and desperately tries to tempt those who aren't to come and join him. Despite all this, he remains mostly alone and abandoned by all those who once loved him in heaven.

    Based on this, Satan ultimately represents resentment, duplicity and pain.
     
  15. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    According to those beliefs, it is the almighty god who is ultimately responsible tho.
     
  16. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    ooooops, again!

    each is responsible for their actions; can't blame anything else!
     
  17. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    If an almighty god made another god do something or allowed it to do something, the ALMIGHTY god is responsible.
     
  18. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    The devil encourages indulgence (for instance, Adam and Eve)
    The devil represents the power of the ego

    Now, the devil is just a metaphor. But if we want to discuss him as a character, he is only controlling if you allow him to be. It is up to you to grow and impose your ego. If you are weak enough to allow him to control you then that is your fault.

    Satan does encourage individuality and freedom and indulgence, but it is up to you to achieve these things; that is why in satanism there is no place for the weak.
     
  19. Adstar Valued Senior Member

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    Yes satan is bad because satan like yourself can never be a god. Neither you nor satan have the capability to be God. Your agreement with satan (to be your own god) is the spirit of rebellion that will never and can never be. Evil vanity and pride comes before destruction.


    All Praise The Ancient Of Days
     
  20. Adstar Valued Senior Member

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    Yes God is responsible for giving people the option to either accepting or rejecting Him. But in giving others that gift (a great gift indeed) He has also given them the responsibility for that decision.

    The wonderful ability to accept God would mean nothing if the possibility of rejecting God was never an option.

    People here demonstrate that ability in full. Even showing their acceptance of satan freely.


    All Praise The Ancient Of Days
     
  21. DiamondHearts Registered Senior Member

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    shaytaan (satan), or his real name iblis (diablos), is the avowed enemy of mankind. Cursed by God and all of creation, because of his disobedience of God and the laws of God. He is an entity, whose only influence over man is the power of suggestion (whispering). God has made man too powerful to be controlled by the devil, unless if man himself freely follows his suggestions. Thus, God allows the shaytaan some spite, as His will is to test man's power of self-control and righteousness. shaytaan represents evil, wickedness, disobedience to God, perversion, injustice, deception, immorality, slavery of self (ego), false pride, racism, and other social and personal ills. In the end, both shaytaan and those humans who follow him, will both be punished. shaytaan like evil men, will be a denizen and sufferer of hell (jahannum), not its master as some believe. Indeed, a terrible and fitting end for a vile creature and avowed enemy of man.
     
  22. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    God needs to be perma-banned.
     
  23. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Satan is already in the naughty corner..
    Could you guys please just leave him the hell alone ?
     

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