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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Max View Post
    People change, Nietz, and there's not much we can do about it. History is full of examples of nice guys turning into horrible leaders.

    Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it's not something that we can use to make future decisions. Just because one thing went wrong one time is no sure sign that we should never do it again.

    Or perhaps we should never, ever help anyone ever again? Do nothing ...and everything will be just fine in the world? I doubt it, don't you?

    Baron Max
    Maybe Max...IF you didn't get burned EVERYTIME. Ho Chi Mhin(or whatever his name is) to OBL.

    Almost every country/people you arm you wind up fighting 10-20 years later.

    Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan.

    Learn a lesson from it, Fuck arming people, I know there's a whole bunch of people (actually a pretty small coterie) that make big fuckin bucks selling arms in the U.S, but it's not good for 99% of Americans.

    Americans pay for their arms to be made through their taxes - shipped to another country to arms browns to kill browns as Hitler would put it, then you gotta turn around and sacrifice your own boys and girls fighting these very arms/CIA trained fighters, you paid for with your taxes. Oh and then your taxes go up to pay for your sons and daughters to get killed fighting that war. Because some fucking politician/CIA Analyst thought it would be a good idea, and maybe the arms sales were tapering off.

    Karma's a bitch and it reciprocates pretty fucking quick with war.

    Doing nothing(as far as waging war) is exactly what is required in the age of nuclear weapons. A large standing army is a waste - esp for a well armed populace like the U.S. Keep the mobile stuff like airborne/Marines the powerful navy, etc. Take some of the money savings and invest in intelligence/security surrounding nuclear secrets and nuclear defense intelligence. And then, yes DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Let your people create wealth all over the world, the world thrives - you thrive. Primitive fuckers die on the vine. Catch them one at a time like rats they are - trying to come at you, coming at them is a waste, if you must then do it with spec ops only. YOUR OWN WARRIORS NOT SOMEONE ELSES. You'll just have to take them out 10 years after.
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  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalo Roam View Post
    Actually I am the one LMAO, what don't you understand that the divorce was mutually agreeable.

    After the Muhajideen achieved their purpose, they didn't want us there either, or, should we have invited all of the Muhajideen Fighters and Leadership to a great feast and murdered them so they wouldn't become a problem later?

    Yes, when We were giving them arms, "We Were the Good Guys", when they no longer needed the U.S., we just became so many more Infidels, and a affront to Islam.

    Remember they are the one's who made;

    "The Enemy of My Enemy,is My Friend"

    "It is good to strike the serpent's head with your enemy's hand."
    And how's that workin for ya Buff?

    Maybe it should be "The Enemy of My Enemy, is my friend, is my enemy after my enemy is no longer my enemy".

    I can play quote games too.

    To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.
    Sun-Tzu
    Chinese general & military strategist (~400 BC)
    Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.
    Sun-tzu, The Art of War. Strategic Assessments
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    Quote Originally Posted by nietzschefan View Post
    Maybe Max...IF you didn't get burned EVERYTIME. Ho Chi Mhin(or whatever his name is) to OBL.

    Almost every country/people you arm you wind up fighting 10-20 years later.

    Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan.
    Wow.

    You named three -- one of which is suspect. We didn't arm Vietnam. The Soviets and the Chinese did that. We became involved after that arming had already begun.

    What about the dozens of countries we arm that don't fight us: Korea, Germany, the UK, Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc?

    The US has "fought" relatively few people in the past 50 years, so to claim we arm our future opponents is a bit of a stretch.

    And for the record, the US never armed bin Laden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Max View Post
    So you approve of people who take the law into their own hands ...without the benefit of laws and the rule of law? You cheer such an approach to life in the 21st century?
    I would not say this too loudly if I were an American. Bush made flouting the rule of law a national pastime.

    Do YOU cheer such an approach to life in the 21st century?

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by countezero View Post
    Wow.

    You named three -- one of which is suspect. We didn't arm Vietnam. The Soviets and the Chinese did that. We became involved after that arming had already begun.
    You Armed and trained Ho Chi Mhin(? gr) during WWII to fight japs. He was VERY pro american at the time, then at the end of WWII you basically left him to fend for himself vs A LOT of opponents. You fucked him and he went commie.

    Quote Originally Posted by countezero View Post
    What about the dozens of countries we arm that don't fight us: Korea, Germany, the UK, Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc?

    The US has "fought" relatively few people in the past 50 years, so to claim we arm our future opponents is a bit of a stretch.

    And for the record, the US never armed bin Laden.
    You didn't arm bin laden but he was an ally.

    S. Korea, Saudi, Israel, Germany are not your enemies...they are still getting WEAPONS. Some of them depend or have depended on the U.S for a STANDING ARMY. Titsuckers and a drain to the american people. Again, filling the pockets of weapons making industrialists.

    There is shit out there caused by the CIA, that we will never know the truth of. Perhaps the Mexican cartels would not be so powerful, without all that dope/weapons deals with south america...hmmm?

    I'm not anti-american. I'm Anti fucktard-american. Arms industrialists, CIA fucking FUCKING fratboys fucking thinking everyone is beneath them, is what's really causing this shit. An ignorant public just enables them.
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    Back to the topic.

    Let's Speak the Truth About Afghanistan

    The United States is no longer "fighting terrorism" in Afghanistan, as Bush, Obama and McCain insist. The 2001 U.S. invasion was a legitimate operation against al-Qaeda, a group that properly fit the role of a "terrorist organization." But, contrary to the White House's wildly inflated claims that Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda was a worldwide conspiracy, it never numbered more than 300 hard core members. Bin Laden and his jihadis long ago scattered into all corners of Pakistan and elsewhere. Only a handful remain in Afghanistan.
    Today, 80,000 U.S. and NATO troops are waging war against the Taliban. Having accompanied the mujahidin fighting the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan during the 1980's, witnessed the birth of Taliban, and penned a book about the Afghan struggle, "War at the Top of the World," I can attest that Taliban is not a terrorist organization as the U.S. and its allies wrongly claim.
    What is the Taliban?

    Taliban was created in the early 1990's during the chaos and civil war that engulfed Afghanistan after the Soviet invaders were driven out. Drawn from Pashtun tribes of southern Afghanistan, who make up half that nation's population, Taliban was a religious movement that took up arms to battle the Afghan Communists, stop the wide-scale rape of Afghan women, and halt banditry and the drug trade. Both Pakistan and the U.S. secretly aided Taliban.
    Fast forward to 2008. Today, U.S. and NATO forces are not fighting "terrorists" in Afghanistan but a loose alliance of Pashtun warrior tribes whose resistance to foreign occupation is legendary. They are descendants of the same Pashtun mountain warriors who battled Alexander the Great, the Mongols, the British Empire and the Soviet Union. All these invaders were eventually defeated.
    So from the original pretext for invading Afghanistan, that of eliminating Al Qaeda, the game changed to a battle against the Taliban and again to a battle against the Pashtun alliance. The question is, why, when it was apparent that Al Qaeda ( all 300 of them ) had disappeared into thin air, did the agenda change, and also the media spin changed to enable the new strategy?

    The war now being waged in Afghanistan by the U.S. and NATO closely resembles 19th century colonial "pacifications" in which a puppet ruler is installed, a native mercenary army ("sepoys") hired to fight, and western troops sent to crush rebellious tribesmen who refuse to follow the diktat of the imperial power.
    Indeed.

    So why is the US so intent to stay, and why is Obama escalating the Afghanistan conflict, which as we have shown, is nowhere near what the original reason for invasion was?

    Equally important, the real objective of the ongoing U.S. occupation of Afghanistan became recently evident. The U.S.-installed Karzai regime in Kabul finally singed a long-discussed pipeline deal that will bring energy south from the new gas and oil Klondike of the Caspian Basin through Afghanistan to Pakistan's coast and India.
    As the perceptive writer Kevin Phillips notes, U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan -- and Iraq -- have become "pipeline protection troops."
    Barack Obama and John McCain had better look carefully before plunging deeper into the Afghan morass. In Afghanistan, we are not fighting "terrorists" but a medieval tribal people who just want to be left alone. This is an ugly little war about oil and gas, not freedom, democracy, or woman's rights. Every village we bomb, every wedding party our air powers massacres, brings new recruits to Taliban and its allies.

    Even the secretary general of NATO, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, said last April that there could be no military solution to the war in Afghanistan, only a political one. That means negotiating with Taliban and political inclusion for the Pashtun people. But President Bush and candidates McCain and Obama are not listening.
    (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-m..._b_115591.html)

    In a nutshell. Greed, oil and gas. Never mind the thousands upon thousands of civilian deaths. Sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrawDog View Post
    In a nutshell. Greed, oil and gas. Never mind the thousands upon thousands of civilian deaths. Sad.
    Oh, bullshit.

    Your post is rife with factual errors (US aid to Taliban? Never happened. Taliban ended drug trade? Nope, it profited from it).

    God, I get so tired of reading this hackneyed, Marxist crap. Why do I bother?

    The US is getting what out of Afghanistan?

    And meanwhile, they are pledging how much blood and treasure?

    Quote Originally Posted by nietzschefan View Post
    You Armed and trained Ho Chi Mhin(? gr) during WWII to fight japs. He was VERY pro american at the time, then at the end of WWII you basically left him to fend for himself vs A LOT of opponents. You fucked him and he went commie.
    The US armed China to fight Japan, too. So is it the US's fault it "went commie" after the war and became and adversary? Seriously, this myopic this-equals-that reading of history is what passes for understanding on this site. It's laughable. Nobody makes people go communist. They chose to do that on their own.

    Quote Originally Posted by nietzschefan View Post
    You didn't arm bin laden but he was an ally.
    No, he wasn't.

    And if you had actually read anything written or said by bin Laden you would realize that even he denies this stupid, Leftist claim.

    Quote Originally Posted by nietzschefan View Post
    S. Korea, Saudi, Israel, Germany are not your enemies...they are still getting WEAPONS.
    Your statement was: "Almost every country/people you arm you wind up fighting 10-20 years later." I think I poked enough holes with the countries I mentioned to show how wrongheaded your statement is.

    Quote Originally Posted by nietzschefan View Post
    There is shit out there caused by the CIA, that we will never know the truth of.
    That's right. Ramble about unnamed conspiracies now. That makes you really look like you know what you're talking about.

    Quote Originally Posted by nietzschefan View Post
    Perhaps the Mexican cartels would not be so powerful, without all that dope/weapons deals with south america...hmmm?
    Hm what? They sell drugs and buy guns with part of the profits. What are you implying?

    Quote Originally Posted by nietzschefan View Post
    I'm not anti-american. I'm Anti fucktard-american.
    Then you must suffer from self-loathing quite a bit.

    Quote Originally Posted by nietzschefan View Post
    Arms industrialists, CIA fucking FUCKING fratboys fucking thinking everyone is beneath them, is what's really causing this shit. An ignorant public just enables them.
    What you don't know about CIA probably fills several books, all of which you could buy at the nearest book shop. It's clear you haven't availed yourself to that possibility though, have you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by countezero View Post
    Oh, bullshit.

    Your post is rife with factual errors (US aid to Taliban? Never happened. Taliban ended drug trade? Nope, it profited from it).

    God, I get so tired of reading this hackneyed, Marxist crap. Why do I bother?

    The US is getting what out of Afghanistan?

    And meanwhile, they are pledging how much blood and treasure?
    Debating 101. Then take the trouble, and refute it with some substance for a change. Otherwise. LOL

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    So I have to disprove your claims?

    Claims based on a columnist from Huffington Post?

    You could read Ahmed Rashid's Taliban if you really wanted to know something about them. Or Steve Coll's Ghost Wars. Or Lawrence Wright's The Looming Tower. Or the 9/11 report. All of them show the US were not aiding the Taliban and that the Taliban used drugs to buy guns, just like the Northern Alliance and every other armed group in Afghanistan. But I doubt actual knowledge will change your eagerness to see everything in sinister economic terms.

    And missing from your kind words about the Taliban -- and the US resistance to them -- is the fact that the Afghans don't WANT them running their country or sitting at the table with those who do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countezero View Post
    Nobody makes people go communist. They chose to do that on their own.
    Well that's what happens when you leave your "friends" high and dry , they generally have to turn to your enemies. I'm not going to argue details about it in this thread, particularly with someone in denial like you. It's simple logic at the strategic level.

    Quote Originally Posted by countezero View Post
    No, he wasn't.

    And if you had actually read anything written or said by bin Laden you would realize that even he denies this stupid, Leftist claim.
    Right bin Laden tells the truth suddenly, on topics you like him to tell the truth on. He doesn't want to admit any doings with the U.S, it would undermine his Jihad following.

    Quote Originally Posted by countezero View Post
    Your statement was: "Almost every country/people you arm you wind up fighting 10-20 years later." I think I poked enough holes with the countries I mentioned to show how wrongheaded your statement is.
    And like a typical sciforumite you cherry pick to suit your pathetic argument. I said also that they are your responsibility. The ones that you continued to support, are happy to still suck off the U.S protection Tit, the ones you let go, point by point became hostile to you. Some countries can be let go after a long while, when all is forgotten, but do you REALLY want to be in Afghanistan for 40 years like Germany and Japan...assuming of course you could defeat these mountain people, getting tougher and tougher as they continue to have an enemy to fight.


    Quote Originally Posted by countezero View Post
    That's right. Ramble about unnamed conspiracies now. That makes you really look like you know what you're talking about.
    No conspiracy, so much has come to light! Drugs/arms/money-for-war, just a great bunch that CIA is!


    Quote Originally Posted by countezero View Post
    Hm what? They sell drugs and buy guns with part of the profits. What are you implying?
    WTF that's ok with you? Fucktard alert!

    Quote Originally Posted by countezero View Post
    Then you must suffer from self-loathing quite a bit.
    Nope, you suffer from selective amnesia, delusion, paranoia and perhaps judging from your posts - psychosis. Internet diagnosis are so much fun.


    Quote Originally Posted by countezero View Post
    What you don't know about CIA probably fills several books, all of which you could buy at the nearest book shop. It's clear you haven't availed yourself to that possibility though, have you?
    I've actually read quite a bit on the subject, I followed the Oliver North trial in the 80s like it was the OJ trial and I was Canadian and like 10 years old at the time. A real awakening to the real world. Fuck yer Neighbor. It's not the way to operate individually or as a Nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countezero View Post
    And missing from your kind words about the Taliban -- and the US resistance to them -- is the fact that the Afghans don't WANT them running their country or sitting at the table with those who do.
    And you know this how? Have you ever lived in Afghanistan?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCCYJwLw3ik

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    Quote Originally Posted by nietzschefan View Post
    Well that's what happens when you leave your "friends" high and dry , they generally have to turn to your enemies. I'm not going to argue details about it in this thread, particularly with someone in denial like you. It's simple logic at the strategic level.
    Right. So you get challenged on your bullshit appreciation of history and you're not going to argue details? OK. That's mature.

    To reiterate what I said earlier, I find it fascinating that you think that whenever the US leaves people "high and dry," they have no choice but to become communists. This is absolutely stupid. If it were true, then the Afghans would be communist, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by nietzschefan View Post
    Right bin Laden tells the truth suddenly, on topics you like him to tell the truth on. He doesn't want to admit any doings with the U.S, it would undermine his Jihad following.
    I admit the man has a questionable record when it comes to the truth, but my point is that his own statements agree with numerous primary and secondary sources on this topic. Try the books I mentioned above, or Milton Bearden's or Charlie Wilson's War. Bin Laden was never involved in the US operations in Afghanistan and the only people who say so are people like you who want to paint the US history as something it's not -- regardless of the facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by nietzschefan View Post
    Some countries can be let go after a long while, when all is forgotten, but do you REALLY want to be in Afghanistan for 40 years like Germany and Japan...assuming of course you could defeat these mountain people, getting tougher and tougher as they continue to have an enemy to fight.
    I have no problem with troops remaining there.

    Quote Originally Posted by nietzschefan View Post
    No conspiracy, so much has come to light! Drugs/arms/money-for-war, just a great bunch that CIA is!
    You've shown me nothing but your ignorance.

    Quote Originally Posted by nietzschefan View Post
    I've actually read quite a bit on the subject, I followed the Oliver North trial in the 80s like it was the OJ trial and I was Canadian and like 10 years old at the time. A real awakening to the real world. Fuck yer Neighbor. It's not the way to operate individually or as a Nation.
    You've maintained your 10-year old comprehension skills apparently. And Iran-Contra hardly speaks to the overall gist you obliquely suggest.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiamondHearts View Post
    And you know this how? Have you ever lived in Afghanistan?
    Right. You have to live somewhere before you can comment about it, right? That's totally illogical.

    And in my case, I can prove what I've stated. Initially, if you read Rashid's book or any other relevant source, you see that the Afghans initially welcomed the Taliban because they ended the feuding among the war lords and restored order. That order came with a price. In time, the Afghans came to hate the Taliban, because it was Wahhabi and radical, neither or which ever flourished in Afghanistan. Additionally, it must be noted that the Taliban were hated because they are also "external," in that most of the Talibs came from camps in Pakistan and weren't seen as genuine Afghans. The Pashtun also never fulled embraced them, see people like Karzai, who initially cooperated then defected (his father was killed by the Taliban).

    The bottom line is that nobody really likes the Taliban. Well, nobody except Pakistan, who funded them and propped them up against the Northern Alliance. Later bin Laden and his money was added to the Paki and drug-money-filled coffers. Without Pakistan and bin Laden the Taliban would never had ruled the country, and this is precisely why they can't hold territory now. They have very little local support.
    Last edited by countezero; 03-12-09 at 05:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countezero View Post
    Right. So you get challenged on your bullshit appreciation of history and you're not going to argue details? OK. That's mature.

    To reiterate what I said earlier, I find it fascinating that you think that whenever the US leaves people "high and dry," they have no choice but to become communists. This is absolutely stupid. If it were true, then the Afghans would be communist, right?
    Your post is mostly Bullshit , but I will address this.

    I did not say they ALL go commie. I said "Enemies". Back then it was commies, now it's "Terrrists".

    Maybe it's you guys that constantly needs an enemy to fight. To justify that bloated military budget and unknown black budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nietzschefan View Post
    Almost every country/people you arm you wind up fighting 10-20 years later.

    Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan.
    Dude, that's only three countries. Surely you don't think that amounts to "almost every" country the US has armed over the past 10-20 years?

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    And that's my point, Quad.

    The communist issue came up, N, because you seized on Vietnam and claimed they went communist because they had no choice after the US abandoned them. I asked if the same could be said of China. Never really got an answer on that. Elsewhere, I've shaken your tree with some actual sources. But yeah, my post is all "bullshit."

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    Quote Originally Posted by countezero View Post
    So I have to disprove your claims?

    Claims based on a columnist from Huffington Post?

    You could read Ahmed Rashid's Taliban if you really wanted to know something about them. Or Steve Coll's Ghost Wars. Or Lawrence Wright's The Looming Tower. Or the 9/11 report. All of them show the US were not aiding the Taliban and that the Taliban used drugs to buy guns, just like the Northern Alliance and every other armed group in Afghanistan. But I doubt actual knowledge will change your eagerness to see everything in sinister economic terms.
    If you flippantly disregard the professional integrity of the Huff without any kind of solid reasoning, why would I entertain your sources? (even though I have read some)

    And missing from your kind words about the Taliban -- and the US resistance to them -- is the fact that the Afghans don't WANT them running their country or sitting at the table with those who do.
    Point me to some substantiation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quadraphonics View Post
    Dude, that's only three countries. Surely you don't think that amounts to "almost every" country the US has armed over the past 10-20 years?
    lol Don't we all wish we could say "Man we only had to fight 3 countries, in 40 years...problems we created to serve the needs of only the elite in our country."

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    Quote Originally Posted by countezero View Post
    And that's my point, Quad.

    The communist issue came up, N, because you seized on Vietnam and claimed they went communist because they had no choice after the US abandoned them. I asked if the same could be said of China. Never really got an answer on that. Elsewhere, I've shaken your tree with some actual sources. But yeah, my post is all "bullshit."
    Whatever - Look China was WWII...I have no criticism for what was done in WWII. China was worth a shot because Nationalists were also fighting Japs.

    Post WWII is Nuclear age. Warfare is obsolete. Bitch slaping terrorists is the duty of police forces - Delta etc.

    Anyways I truly DO want the best for your country. I have a vested interest. Keep on this path and you are doomed.

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    I think living in Afghanistan and hearing the sentiments of common people helps. All this pro-US military rhetoric that Afghanis see them as liberators is completely false. All the allies the US has in Afghanistan who are merely mercenaries, if the Americans stop paying them, they will join the opposite side right away. There is a wide belief in Afghanistan and Pakistan that bomb attacks on civilians is a strategy used by the American's cronies to tarnish the image of the legitimate resistance. Drone attacks aimed at civilians killing majority women and school-age children in the thousands is another one of these strategies to punish the populace, and claim to be killing five year old 'terrorists', except this one is overt.

    America is more hated in Afghanistan today than Russia ever was, the same future awaits America too. By pushing Pakistan to the defensive, you will only strength the legitimate resistance of the Afghanis and bring in support from common people of Pakistan. Pakistan is already in the throes of another revolution, the US is precipitating its own demise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrawDog View Post
    If you flippantly disregard the professional integrity of the Huff without any kind of solid reasoning, why would I entertain your sources? (even though I have read some)
    How do you know my disregard is flippant or lacks solid reasoning?

    The fact is the Huff is a ideologically driven site that advances one political perception with suitably slanted stories and observations. It makes no attempt to be objective or non-biased. None. What's worse is that regardless whether the Huff is Left or Right, the article you linked to is little more than an unsubstantiated opinion piece, so you're doing little more than backing your opinion with other like-minded opinions. This is what passes for "argument" on this site. The problem is that you are not backing your opinion with documented facts.

    The books I listed are all scholarly works, written by people with excellent representations for research. Their sources can all be checked, verified or attacked because they are there, in print. But that's not even necessary, and you know it. You made a claim and so you should defend it. It's a fact the US never recognized the Taliban as the govt. of Afghanistan, so I think you will be hard pressed to find legitimate sources that show were giving them "aid," as you claimed.

    Quote Originally Posted by StrawDog View Post
    Point me to some substantiation.
    Are you serious?

    How about the fact the country was in a Civil War the entire time the Taliban ruled it. Or the fact the Afghans celebrated in the streets when they were driven away. I mean, you must have seen this, right? It was on television. Elsewhere, I don't see anyone agitating for the Taliban's return. But if you really want to me to dig up something that quantifies this, I can.

    Quote Originally Posted by nietzschefan View Post
    Whatever - Look China was WWII...I have no criticism for what was done in WWII. China was worth a shot because Nationalists were also fighting Japs.
    You have no criticism for what was done in WW2?

    Then why did you write: "You Armed and trained Ho Chi Mhin(? gr) during WWII"?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiamondHearts View Post
    I think living in Afghanistan and hearing the sentiments of common people helps.
    Agreed.

    But not living there does not mean a person cannot reach a reasonable conclusion about events there. One doesn't have to live somewhere before they can comment on a situation.

    And for the record, have you lived in Afghanistan, post-911?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiamondHearts View Post
    All this pro-US military rhetoric that Afghanis see them as liberators is completely false.
    Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiamondHearts View Post
    All the allies the US has in Afghanistan who are merely mercenaries, if the Americans stop paying them, they will join the opposite side right away.
    Really? They would join the Taliban? No, they wouldn't. They fought the Taliban before the US got there. You should know this.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiamondHearts View Post
    There is a wide belief in Afghanistan and Pakistan that bomb attacks on civilians is a strategy used by the American's cronies to tarnish the image of the legitimate resistance.
    That's typical conspiracy crap. The US is not Algeria, and the Taliban is not a legitimate resistance. Or are you saying they are?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiamondHearts View Post
    Drone attacks aimed at civilians killing majority women and school-age children in the thousands is another one of these strategies to punish the populace, and claim to be killing five year old 'terrorists', except this one is overt.
    Now you sound like Sam. The US is not intentionally killing civilians and you have no proof they are, just addled ramblings.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiamondHearts View Post
    America is more hated in Afghanistan today than Russia ever was, the same future awaits America too.
    More lies. If this were the case, the Americans would be coming home in body bags by the thousands. Fact is they aren't.

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