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  1. #41
    for the mind to make up everything means that the mind must understand everything in the Universe in the first place

    the mind clearly doesn't
    provide 1 example.
    explain entirely the life cycle of a Pine Tree

    without any prior knowledge of the Pine Tree's life cycle

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by thinking View Post
    explain entirely the life cycle of a Pine Tree

    without any prior knowledge of the Pine Tree's life cycle
    I already understand it.

    "If I were to learn about it, I would have already knew."

  3. #43
    Originally Posted by thinking
    explain entirely the life cycle of a Pine Tree

    without any prior knowledge of the Pine Tree's life cycle


    Quote Originally Posted by tnerb View Post
    I already understand it.

    "If I were to learn about it, I would have already knew."
    but not inately

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by thinking View Post
    but not inately
    Huh?

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by thinking
    but not inately
    Quote Originally Posted by tnerb View Post
    Huh?
    inotherwords

    without prior knowledge of the life cycle of the Pine Tree you would have no idea of this life cycle

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by thinking View Post
    inotherwords

    without prior knowledge of the life cycle of the Pine Tree you would have no idea of this life cycle
    That presumes that I do in fact already understand it. Ie., saying "you would no idea" when I already do infact. Even an infant understands fully the life cycle of a pinetree.

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by tnerb View Post
    That presumes that I do in fact already understand it. Ie., saying "you would no idea" when I already do infact. Even an infant understands fully the life cycle of a pinetree.
    okay there's a joke here that I missed , apparently

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by thinking View Post
    okay there's a joke here that I missed , apparently
    no you didnt' miss anything. we already know the pine trees life cycle.... I was wondering if you was going to explain how we dont.

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by tnerb View Post
    no you didnt' miss anything. we already know the pine trees life cycle.... I was wondering if you was going to explain how we dont.
    then you missed my point

    what I'm trying to say is that , if the mind created the Pine Tree then Naturally in order to create a Pine Tree the mind must understand the depth of the Pine Tree's workings , cells , structure , roots , soil , fertilizer(food) etc. in order to not only grow but to keep it alive

    which inately the mind does not

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by thinking View Post
    then you missed my point

    what I'm trying to say is that , if the mind created the Pine Tree then Naturally in order to create a Pine Tree the mind must understand the depth of the Pine Tree's workings , cells , structure , roots , soil , fertilizer(food) etc. in order to not only grow but to keep it alive

    which inately the mind does not
    good try of course, but you know that the mind may have created the pine tree or visa vera such isn't understood isn't worth investigating atm more importantly is investigation of what we're discussing which i feel is relatively inlign with the threads wtopic.
    ..

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by tnerb View Post
    good try of course, but you know that the mind may have created the pine tree or visa vera such isn't understood isn't worth investigating
    I see

    hardly

    knowledge , who knows where it will lead and further an understanding of other Trees


    atm more importantly is investigation of what we're discussing which i feel is relatively inlign with the threads wtopic.
    ..
    yet this path we went down is because of you not me

    back to post #22

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by thinking View Post
    I see

    hardly

    knowledge , who knows where it will lead and further an understanding of other Trees
    Yeah, other trees.




    yet this path we went down is because of you not me

    back to post #22
    Yeah... we was discussing how profund your theory is and then lead up to this part... I guess I'll be more concrete nextime.

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by tnerb View Post
    Yeah... we was discussing how profund your theory is and then lead up to this part... I guess I'll be more concrete nextime.
    clearer would be more helpful

  14. #54
    so shall we get back to objectivity and objectivity ?

    which is the essence of this thread or are you going to off on a tangent again ?

  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by thinking View Post
    so shall we get back to objectivity and objectivity ?

    which is the essence of this thread or are you going to off on a tangent again ?
    ah yes, that is how it goes I guess damn.

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    "Subjectivity...can you understand it Objectively? "

    Uhhh, no, by definition...

  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Randwolf View Post
    "Subjectivity...can you understand it Objectively? "

    Uhhh, no, by definition...
    I disagree

    subjectivity is based on the self and what the self wants ( objectively ) or sees

    objectivity sees beyond the self alone

    objectivity see's the bigger picture

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    Quote Originally Posted by thinking View Post
    subjectivity is based on the self and what the self wants ( objectively ) or sees
    How is "what the self wants" objective?

  19. #59
    Originally Posted by thinking
    subjectivity is based on the self and what the self wants ( objectively ) or sees
    Quote Originally Posted by Randwolf View Post
    How is "what the self wants" objective?
    it's not

    what I tried to convey was that objectively speaking , subjectivity can be understood objectively

    thats what I mean't

  20. #60
    Originally Posted by thinking
    subjectivity is based on the self and what the self wants ( objectively ) or sees
    Quote Originally Posted by Randwolf View Post
    How is "what the self wants" objective?
    it's not

    what I tried to convey was that objectively speaking , subjectivity can be understood objectively

    thats what I mean't

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