Afghans face death over translation of Quran

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  1. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    To translate the Quran into the Dari (Persian) and Pashto language is worthy of Death, can't have the people knowing to much about Islam now can we.



    Afghans face death over translation of Quran
    Friday, February 6, 2009 3:34 AM EST
    The Associated Press
    By HEIDI VOGT Associated Press Writer


    KABUL (AP) β€” No one knows who brought the book to the mosque, or at least no one dares say. The pocket-size translation of the Quran has already landed six men in prison in Afghanistan and left two of them begging judges to spare their lives. They're accused of modifying the Quran and their fate could be decided Sunday in court.

    The trial illustrates what critics call the undue influence of hardline clerics in Afghanistan, a major hurdle as the country tries to establish a lawful society amid war and militant violence.

    The book appeared among gifts left for the cleric at a major Kabul mosque after Friday prayers in September 2007. It was a translation of the Quran into one of Afghanistan's languages, with a note giving permission to reprint the text as long as it was distributed for free.

    Some of the men of the mosque said the book would be useful to Afghans who didn't know Arabic, so they took up a collection for printing. The mosque's cleric asked Ahmad Ghaws Zalmai, a longtime friend, to get the books printed.

    But as some of the 1,000 copies made their way to conservative Muslim clerics in Kabul, whispers began, then an outcry.

    Many clerics rejected the book because it did not include the original Arabic verses alongside the translation. It's a particularly sensitive detail for Muslims, who regard the Arabic Quran as words given directly by God. A translation is not considered a Quran itself, and a mistranslation could warp God's word.

    The clerics said Zalmai, a stocky 54-year-old spokesman for the attorney general, was trying to anoint himself as a prophet. They said his book was trying to replace the Quran, not offer a simple translation. Translated editions of the Quran abound in Kabul markets, but they include Arabic verses.

    The country's powerful Islamic council issued an edict condemning the book.

    "In all the mosques in Afghanistan, all the mullahs said, 'Zalmai is an infidel. He should be killed,'" Zalmai recounted as he sat outside the chief judge's chambers waiting for a recent hearing.
     
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  3. disease Banned Banned

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    Afghanis face death from being arrested and deported illegally by US troops.

    Even if they get released, and particularly if they try to go back to Afghanistan.
     
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  5. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    They are going through the same thing Christianity experienced in 995AD.
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Well its good to know the millions the US has been pouring for the last 25 years to remove the godless and empower the warlords has taken effect.
     
  8. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    It's inaccurate to say that Afghanistan's warlords are all fundamentalists.
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sure giving millions of dollars and arms to tribal warlords has always resulted in a positive outcome in the past.

    Have you ever met any of the NWFP people? Even the Pakistani army will not fight them. And they believe in the Jirga so they don't care for any government whatsoever. As far as they are concerned, no borders exist for the Pakhtun. Its been that way for thousands of years and they are not really the type to embrace new ideologies like nationalism.
     
  10. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    It kept Afghanistan from the godless soviets, and the Northern Alliance succeded in driving the Taliban from power. You're welcome.
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, its a popular tourist destination now and the mujahideen have morphed into the Taliban, all round goodness for the Afghani people. They can hardly contain their joy..

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  12. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    The mujahideen are not the Taliban. They had to fight each other for power in Afghanstan's civil war. Nor did the US exclusively fund the mujahideen, they were also funded by Iran, Pakistan, and China.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I think ice has already answered this in detail elsewhere. Don't you guys ever read the papers? Who do you think Gulbuddin Hekmateyar is?
     
  14. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    It is complex, but you are trying to give the impression that the mujahideen as a whole turned into the Taliban, which isn't true.
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So you can tell us who the mujahideen are in Afghanistan today, can you?

    And while they were clearly religious Pashtun battling the godless Russians, they are separate and distinct from the religious Pashtun who are the Taliban today?

    Because there's more than one kind of religious Pashtun evidently. Sorta like having more than one kind of Republican.
     
  16. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I wouldn't say they are completely separate, but they aren't the same. Besides, how does the introduction of weapons influence the religious fanaticism in a place largely immune to invasion anyway?
     
  17. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    You're kidding...
     
  18. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Not from what I can find:

    Mujahideen divides

    Main article: Civil war in Afghanistan (1992-1996)
    After taking power, the unity of the Mujahideen evaporated and fighting began between them. Gulbuddin Hekmatyar was blamed for a devastating rocket attack on Kabul, prompting Dostum to launch a campaign against him. Dostum later joined forces with Hekmatyar and fighting destroyed much of Kabul as the nation was split along ethnic lines. In 1994, the Taliban Movement was formed in southern Afghanistan with Pakistani support. It made rapid gains for the next two years against both Dostum and Tajik commander Ahmad Shah Massoud; in 1996 the Taliban took the capital.


    Taliban control

    Main article: Civil war in Afghanistan (1996-2001)
    After the fall of Kabul, Dostum and Massoud joined forces to form the United Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan (Northern Alliance). During this time the Taliban continued to make gains against the Alliance, eventually taking up to 95% of Afghanistan. Dostum was forced out of Afghanistan, and Massoud was assassinated on September 9, 2001.


    No love lost between the Taliban and the Mujahideen
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Who cares what you can or cannot find? We watch it live on television.
     
  20. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    When? you are always on the Forums.
     
  21. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I don't need hours to make a post. English is a first language for me.

    Its easy enough to google Mullah Omar and Hekmateyar
     
  22. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Yes from Google:

    Mujahideen divides

    Main article: Civil war in Afghanistan (1992-1996)
    After taking power, the unity of the Mujahideen evaporated and fighting began between them. Gulbuddin Hekmatyar was blamed for a devastating rocket attack on Kabul, prompting Dostum to launch a campaign against him. Dostum later joined forces with Hekmatyar and fighting destroyed much of Kabul as the nation was split along ethnic lines. In 1994, the Taliban Movement was formed in southern Afghanistan with Pakistani support. It made rapid gains for the next two years against both Dostum and Tajik commander Ahmad Shah Massoud; in 1996 the Taliban took the capital.


    Taliban control

    Main article: Civil war in Afghanistan (1996-2001)
    After the fall of Kabul, Dostum and Massoud joined forces to form the United Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan (Northern Alliance). During this time the Taliban continued to make gains against the Alliance, eventually taking up to 95% of Afghanistan. Dostum was forced out of Afghanistan, and Massoud was assassinated on September 9, 2001.


    No love lost between the Taliban and the Mujahideen
     
  23. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    I agree that Muslims are as fanatical now as Xian's were then. BUT, this doesn't mean that Muslims will evolve socially as Europeans have. I do not think that's going to be the case. I think that they will remain somewhat fanatical. Europeans had a lot of strong social institutions that predated Xianity. Banking, Democracy, Republicanism, Scholarship, etc...
     

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