It's all good...

**~~disease~~** · 02-03-09, 09:14 PM

When your dealer, sorry, doctor, who has you on Vicodin tells you, when you ask him "what do you usually do to get your patients off this stuff?", says, "Well, we'll just have to see how you go". Uh huh...

At least I could thank the dude for making my connection.

"She was practiced at the art, of deception,
I could tell, by her bloodstained hands..."

**~~John99~~** · 02-03-09, 09:17 PM

Vicodin? Horrible, horrible.

**~~disease~~** · 02-03-09, 09:38 PM

Not if you take the buggers.

**jessiej920** · 02-03-09, 09:39 PM

Eh? I am con-fu-sed. Are you addicted? Is that the issue? Let me tell you, just quit cold turkey. DO NOT do drug replacement therapy, it only prolongs your addiction and detoxing is much worse, believe me. I have chronic back pain from several car accidents and when I told my doctor that I wanted to stop taking pain killers because I didn't want to get addicted he put me on this nasty stuff called suboxone. It was hell on earth. It made me soooo sick.

The best thing to do is to just quit refilling your prescription, deal with any WD symptoms for a week, and then move on. Find alternative ways to deal with the pain. It's better then being reliant on pills.

**~~disease~~** · 02-03-09, 09:43 PM

I've been on 120mg a day, for weeks.
I asked when he first prescribed them about side-effects, like not being able to sleep because you "need" a pill, after telling him my busted clavicle (distal fracture) wakes me up when it hurts sometimes.

Unfortunately, to treat pain you have to take them 2-3 hours before they work. Now I have a sore shoulder, and I'm addicted to painkillers. But "let's see how we go"...

**jessiej920** · 02-03-09, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by disease

I've been on 120mg a day, for weeks.
I asked when he first prescribed them about side-effects, like not being able to sleep because you "need" a pill, after telling him my busted clavicle (distal fracture) wakes me up when it hurts sometimes.

Unfortunately, to treat pain you have to take them 2-3 hours before they work. Now I have a sore shoulder, and I'm addicted to painkillers. But "let's see how we go"...

120 mg daily?! What strength of vicodin are you taking? The generic is usually 5/500 (5 mg of hydrocodone/500 of acetaminophen). If you are taking 120 mg of just hydro a day that's 24 pills a day...that's way too much; you aren't supposed to exceed 8 pills a day. If you are taking 10/325 vicodin's then you are still taking 12 pills a day which also exceeds the recommended limit which is probably why u are addicted. Also, the longer u take them, the higher your tolerance becomes so u have to take more to achieve the desired effect which also leads to addiction.

I understand how awful it is to be in pain, but I would talk to your doctor about tapering you off them slowly. Like I said, I would not recommend drug replacement therapy. Many doctors are pushing suboxone as the new 'wonder' drug for addiction to opiates, but I can say from experience that it only made everything worse for me. The suboxone was way to strong for me (as I wasn't really addicted) and it also takes much longer to work its way out of your system (up to a month), while vicodin is usually out within 3-5 days. Suboxone clings to the opiate receptors in your brain and the withdrawal symptoms are much worse then if you were to just go cold turkey off the vicodin.

I'm not a doctor, but I would recommend getting off the painkillers as soon as possible. I found that once I quit taking them, after a few months my pain was actually much better because my body began to adjust to the pain naturally rather then relying on a chemical substance that simply masked it.

**~~disease~~** · 02-03-09, 10:55 PM

Ah yes, the vagaries of medicants, and what they do to your pov.
This stuff isn't actually Vicodin, it's in the same family though. Dihydrocodeine. Not even oxycodone (grumble).

**Absane** · 02-03-09, 11:03 PM

Why the reference to the Rolling Stones?

**~~disease~~** · 02-04-09, 01:15 AM

I saw her today at the reception
A glass of wine in her hand
I knew she was gonna meet her connection
At her feet was her footloose man

You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you might find
You get what you need

Oh yeah, hey hey hey, oh...

And I went down to the demonstration
To get my fair share of abuse
Singing, "We're gonna vent our frustration
If we don't we're gonna blow a 50-amp fuse"
Sing it to me now...

You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes well you just might find
You get what you need
Oh baby, yeah, yeah!

I went down to the Chelsea drugstore
To get your prescription filled
I was standing in line with Mr. Jimmy
And man, did he look pretty ill
We decided that we would have a soda
My favorite flavor, cherry red
I sung my song to Mr. Jimmy
Yeah, and he said one word to me, and that was "dead"
I said to him

You can't always get what you want, no!
You can't always get what you want (tell ya baby)
You can't always get what you want (no)
But if you try sometimes you just might find
You get what you need
Oh yes! Woo!

You get what you need--yeah, oh baby!
Oh yeah!

I saw her today at the reception
In her glass was a bleeding man
She was practiced at the art of deception
Well I could tell by her blood-stained hands

You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you just might find
You just might find
You get what you need

**cosmictraveler** · 02-04-09, 06:30 AM

Vicodin is a great pain killer for a few weeks at best, after that its affects seem to drop off and something stronger is needed, at least in my case it was, so they either increased my dosage or switched me to another painkiller. They made me itch all over and feel all yukky after a few weeks of taking them, a rather bad feeling I had. I did not care that much taking them so it was easy to stop .

**Enmos** · 02-04-09, 06:32 AM

Well, this explains a few things..

**cosmictraveler** · 02-04-09, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by Enmos

Well, this explains a few things..

What does that mean?

**Enmos** · 02-04-09, 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by cosmictraveler

What does that mean?

He thinks the stimuli needed for perception come from the mind.

**cosmictraveler** · 02-04-09, 06:38 AM

For the most part it does.

**Enmos** · 02-04-09, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by cosmictraveler

For the most part it does.

Are you on stuff as well ?

**cosmictraveler** · 02-04-09, 06:43 AM

From time to time I have used pain killers and now am on Tramadol along with epidural shots as well, every 2 months , for my lower back and neck disk problems.

**Enmos** · 02-04-09, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by cosmictraveler

From time to time I have used pain killers and now am on Tramadol along with epidural shots as well, every 2 months , for my lower back and neck disk problems.

See ?

Read this thread: Objective truth - from a Buddhist perspective #01

**cosmictraveler** · 02-04-09, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by Enmos

See ?

Read this thread: Objective truth - from a Buddhist perspective #01

But that pain is coming from my brain even if my problem happens in my back, leg and neck area, I still feel it through my brain.

**Enmos** · 02-04-09, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by cosmictraveler

But that pain is coming from my brain even if my problem happens in my back, leg and neck area, I still feel it through my brain.

I'm sorry to hear that Cosmic, I never figured. You always seem to be in a good mood on here.

**shorty_37** · 02-04-09, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by cosmictraveler

From time to time I have used pain killers and now am on Tramadol along with epidural shots as well, every 2 months , for my lower back and neck disk problems.

Neck disc problems? What's wrong? I have 2 bulging discs in my upper back and had severe neck pain for well over 6 mnths. I am much better now but I still have bad days. I am taking something called Ralivia.

http://www.healthyontario.com/DrugDe...d_name=Ralivia