News from Gaza Part 2

[Zakariya04]

So your suggestion is we should become like the Americans? Or Israelis? And that will make it all better? We can go around bombing people who disagree with us? Instead of just talking to one another?

What road do you see educated Muslims taking?

you can be educated and non agressive...

[S.A.M.]

you can be educated and non agressive...

Like the Arabs are now?

[Buffalo Roam]

Buffalo,

actually discussion is good as banging ideas around can help you learn and move forward..........

SAM always makes valid points in my opinion and it would be very arrogant of me to discredit her. Discussion with whoever regardless of whetehr they agree with you is sucha great way of learning!!

PBWY Zak, it isn't SAMs valid points that get me it's is Her absolute refusal to condemn the terrorist actions of Muslims, and constant Moral relevatism used to excuse those acts as justifiable.

And the way She went after you for speaking up.

[Zakariya04]

Like the Arabs are now?

eeerrrr no......

how r they educated... how do the arab universities stack up in the top universities list fo example!!??

[S.A.M.]

eeerrrr no......

how r they educated... how do the arab universities stack up in the top universities list fo example!!??

They go abroad for education. Like you suggested.

But there is already a program in the works for higher education in the Arab world

On May 19, 2007, he [Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum] announced plans to give $10bn USD to set up an educational foundation in the Middle East, one of the largest charitable donations in history.[11] Sheikh Mohammed stated that the money is meant to bridge the knowledge gap between the Arab region and the developed world, improving the standard of education and research in the region, developing leadership programs for youth, and stimulating job creation. The announcement was made at the 2007 World Economic Forum in Jordan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamme...hid_Al_Maktoum

The Sauds have their own program:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,1724845.story

The Egyptians are doing their own thing:

Egypt's public universities have unveiled a plan to computerise their curricula and ways of instruction - but the online move has met with criticism from professors and students. The Ministry of Higher Education said months ago it would make lectures and syllabuses available on the internet as part of a scheme to develop education, and now e-education facilities have been set up in state institutions.

"The first stage of the plan is already underway through electronic centres in government universities at a cost of LE7 million (around US$1.4 million)," Mohamed Abdel Hamid, Chair of the National Committee for Information Technology Systems at the Ministry of Higher Education, told University World News.

Hamid explained that during this phase, due to be finalised in December, electronic centres in public universities were digitalising syllabuses and making them available to students. "The aim is to spread information technology in the academic community and give students the chance to check books in their discipline authored by several professors."

Hamid believes the move will cut the high cost of textbooks in public universities. Authors of digitalised books will get royalties estimated at LE10,000 (around US$1,700) per course. He said this could be one way to improve the financial status of university academics.

But academics beg to disagree: "Though no-one can underestimate the importance of making use of advanced techniques in developing education, attention should be given first to the availability of favourable conditions to ensure the success of any plan for e-education," said Abdel Rauf al-Daab, a professor of sociology at the provincial University of Sohag in southern Egypt.

as do Jordan, Lebanon, Morrocco etc.

But then Israel already has these advantages from the billions that the diaspora Jews pour into it. So what? They still want a "Jewish state" that excludes native Palestinians. What change did education bring them?

[Ghost_007]

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/eu...ef=mpstoryview

LONDON, England (CNN) -- Israeli military action in Gaza is comparable to that of German soldiers during the Holocaust, a Jewish UK lawmaker whose family suffered at the hands of the Nazis has claimed.
A protester confronts police in London last weekend at a demonstration against Israeli action in Gaza.

Gerald Kaufman, a member of the UK's ruling Labour Party, also called for an arms embargo on Israel, currently fighting militant Palestinian group Hamas, during the debate in the British parliament Thursday.

"My grandmother was ill in bed when the Nazis came to her home town of Staszow. A German soldier shot her dead in her bed," said Kaufman, who added that he had friends and family in Israel and had been there "more times than I can count."

"My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza."

Kaufman, a senior Labour politician who was raised as an Orthodox Jew, has often opposed Israeli policy throughout his career.

[Billy T]

...Palestinians need to unify under one government and end terrorism, Israel should reel in it's settlers, get out of the West Bank and negotiate a two-state agreement. We all know what needs to happen, what is lacking is a credible third party (US) to mediate between them. Perhaps Hillary can be that.

I agree with this hope, but think it unlikely. Clinton's Camp David accord failed and for the same reason I think Hillary will – I.e. the need for those so filled with hate that they want more than anything else to hurt the enemy, must be allowed to grow old and die in their beds, IMHO. It is not possible for them to make so drastic a change as to live in peace.

This is the problem my plan addresses. I hope I am wrong and Obama / Hillary can bring peace, but the odds are very much against this IMHO.

[S.A.M.]

This is the problem my plan addresses. I hope I am wrong and Obama / Hillary can bring peace, but the odds are very much against this IMHO.

Yes, its very bad and its having repercussions around the world. Jews who have nothing to do with Israeli actions are getting the blowback from the actions of a state that claims to represent them.

[otheadp]

This person is in the extreme and extremely tiny minority. He in no way represents Jewish thought.

[Zakariya04]

so what is jewish thought then Otheadp??

[otheadp]

The opposite of what he said.

[S.A.M.]

Supposed to be this:

"What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is commentary. Go and learn." (Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 31a)

[otheadp]

It is possible to be against an Israeli policy without wrapping his words in the disgusting rhetoric that this moron did.

It is extremely uncalled for.

But that kind of rhetoric is what it takes to get votes, apparently. Just ask George Galloway.

[Zakariya04]

The opposite of what he said.

elebarote if you would

[mikenostic]

Supposed to be this:

"What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is commentary. Go and learn." (Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 31a)

If several countries surrounding me were constantly harrassing me, and even attacking me, I am in no way shape, size or form obligated to be nice, cordial or professional to them, or their representatives.

[S.A.M.]

If several countries surrounding me were constantly harrassing me, and even attacking me, I am in no way shape, size or form obligated to be nice, cordial or professional to them, or their representatives.

You might consider that they do not like having their home stolen, their people starved and their children shot at. If you had a neighbor who did that to you, I doubt you'd consider him your best pal.

[spidergoat]

I am suggesting a cheaper plan, which can save almost, if not all, Israelis now killed and possibly lead to real peace in a generation or two -

A simple bomb shelter does the trick most of the time, that's not the issue. The issue is the rockets being launched in the first place, and the smuggling of rockets into Gaza, which leads to blockades, which they then use as an excuse to launch more attacks.

[spidergoat]

And many in this country don't like losing their homes to foreclosure, but we move on with our lives. The UN decreed that there should be a partition of Palestine in order to prevent the violence between Arabs and Jews (I would say mostly religious in origin), and to ensure that Jewish refugees could have a place in the world in light of their virtual genocide.

What happened to the Hindus in Pakistan and Kashmir? A quarter millions of them were ethnically cleansed from the region. In 1971, the Pakistanis killed 1-3 million people, mostly Hindus, from East Bengal.

Islamic rule in India as a "colonial experiment" was "extremely violent", and "the Muslims could not rule the country except by systematic terror. Cruelty was the norm -- burnings, summary executions, crucifixions or impalements, inventive tortures. Hindu temples were destroyed to make way for mosques. On occasion there were forced conversions. If ever there were an uprising, it was instantly and savagely repressed: houses were burned, the countryside was laid waste, men were slaughtered and women were taken as slaves."

What happened in Israel was a relative picnic. The Palestinians Arabs need to stop whining and start behaving like adults. "Boo hoo, I lost my house". Fuck you, I lost 5-6 million of my people to racists like yourselves.

[fedr808]

what??????
or r u still unsure about the strength of the US economy

14.3 trillion dollar GDP. Eat it.

[PsychoTropicPuppy]

so many universities and the average american still remains poorly educated. so sad.