01-15-09, 12:45 AM #741
01-15-09, 12:54 AM #742
01-15-09, 12:59 AM #743
The reality is that Hamas is a threat to Israel both in intention and in action. A dead militant and innocent bystandards is far more valuable to Israel than a live militant and innocent bystandards.
I personally think that both Israel and Egypt should set up guarded safe zones for civilians to stay in while the war against Hamas ensues. Hamas would of course try to kill escaping civilians which would instead put the spotlight on them and meanwhile Israel could wipe them out.
01-15-09, 01:01 AM #744
01-15-09, 01:05 AM #745
01-15-09, 01:25 AM #746
Even limited access is tightly controlled?
Where did you ever come up with that ludicrous notion?
Oh wait, your are famous for doing just that.
If you care to look at the Reporters imbedded with the U.S. Troops during the Iraq invasion, you will find that they confirmed and supported the military reports of what had taken place in any action.
01-15-09, 05:02 AM #747
The Israelis have bombed the UNWRA hospital in Gaza with white phosphorus shells. It's up in flames. There were 700 people taking shelter there, not to mention it's also the place where they store and distribute food and medicine from
01-15-09, 06:24 AM #748
01-15-09, 08:36 AM #749The UN's relief agency, Unrwa, says part of its HQ in Gaza was set on fire after being hit by Israeli shell fire.
UN chief Ban Ki-Moon expressed outrage and said Israel described it as a grave mistake, although Israel denied this.
Efforts to reach a truce continue, with Israel's head negotiator in Cairo to discuss an Egyptian ceasefire plan.
Hamas said the talks had made progress, but did not elaborate.
Speaking to reporters on the Israel-Gaza border, Unrwa spokesman Christopher Gunness said three of the agency's employees were hurt in the attack on its compound in Gaza City.
He said the compound was hit by what Unrwa believed to be three white phosphorus shells, which are incendiary weapons used to create smoke screens.
The BBC's Rushdi Abualouf describes the scene outside his home
About 700 people were still sheltering in the compound, he said, and the fire had been burning close to five full fuel tanks.
The United Nations said three shells containing white phosphorous had struck the main compound belonging to its Relief and Works Agency, setting one building on fire and injuring three UN workers.
The United Nations Secretary-General Ban-ki Moon, who was in Tel Aviv in a meeting with Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni when he heard of the attack on the UN's headquarters, expressed outrage.
According to the head of UN operations in Gaza, John Ging, the compound's warehouse and workshop were burning out of control.
"It's a very big fire, and we're not able to get it under control at the moment," Mr Ging said.
With gun battles going on around the facility, he said, "the emergency services are not able to get to us."
The UN announced it had suspended all operations in Gaza.
Other buildings reportedly shelled included the headquarters of the Palestinian Red Crescent Society, the al-Aqsa hospital, and a building housing the offices of Reuters news agency.
The Israeli offensive came after Hamas militants launched about 20 Qassam rockets into Israel, despite reports that a ceasefire deal was near.
All this after they bombed UN schools...
01-15-09, 09:49 AM #750
Now we have the obligatry attack on the U.N.
Isn't it interesting that in every fight with the Terrorist we get incidents of supposed callous attacks against U.N. facilities by Israel.
This seems to happen on a schedule, and is a standard tactic of Muslim Terrorist.
Now lets here from U.N. peace keepers who have direct knowledge of what happens.
Hezbollah was using UN post as 'shield'
Canadian wrote of militia's presence, 'necessity' of bombing
Joel Kom, with files from Steven Edwards, CanWest News Service, The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Thursday, July 27, 2006
Nad when the full story comes out it is because the Terrorist, Hamas, Hezbulla, who ever set up fighting position right next to the U.N. facilities.
The clearest example of this is the case of Major Paeta Hess-Von Krudener
Just last week, Maj. Hess-von Kruedener wrote an e-mail about his experiences after nine months in the area, words Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie said are an obvious allusion to Hezbollah tactics.
"What I can tell you is this," he wrote in an e-mail to CTV dated July 18. "We have on a daily basis had numerous occasions where our position has come under direct or indirect fire from both (Israeli) artillery and aerial bombing."The closest artillery has landed within 2 meters (sic) of our position and the closest 1000 lb aerial bomb has landed 100 meters (sic) from our patrol base. This has not been deliberate targeting, but rather due to tactical necessity."
"What that means is, in plain English, 'We've got Hezbollah fighters running around in our positions, taking our positions here and then using us for shields and then engaging the (Israeli Defence Forces)," he said.
That would mean Hezbollah was purposely setting up near the UN post, he added.
UN Peacekeepers Begged Hezbollah to Stop Using Them As Human Shields. UN, LA Times Blame Israel Anyway.
The Los Angeles Times's coverage of Israel is, as always, shrill with hand-wringing hysteria:
Under Fire for 6 Hours, U.N. Peacekeepers Pleaded for Help Before Being Killed, U.N. Says
The United Nations post where four peacekeepers were killed by Israeli fire Tuesday was hit at least 16 times over six hours, including five direct hits on the base as its unarmed staff repeatedly notified Israeli liaison officers and begged for help, U.N. officials said Wednesday. On Tuesday U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said the airstrike that hit the post in southern Lebanon was "apparently deliberate."
Annan's... UN Interim Force in Lebanon has been warning for days about what almost certainly caused this tragedy. Hezbollah fighters, who have already been firing behind screens of women and children, have also been shooting from behind and next to the UN positions, presumably hoping Israel will not dare shoot back and risk exactly this kind of propaganda disaster... the UNIFIL press releases [states] that Hezbollah has not just shot at and seriously wounded UNIFIL observers... [but] that UNIFIL has repeatedly reported Israeli shelling and bombing near UNIFIL outposts because Hezbollah fighters were shooting from right beside them . Says the UNIFIL press release of 20 July:
Hezbollah firing was also reported from the immediate vicinity of the UN positions in Naquora and Maroun Al Ras areas at the time of the incidents (of Israeli return fire)...
01-15-09, 10:42 AM #751
According to the IDF it was a "mistake" to bomb the UNWRA hospital. Oops I did it again, lost a white phosphorus missile over a hospital and the media center, even though both had given the coordinates to the IDF and had been calling them all day to warn them that the shelling was too close.
01-15-09, 11:07 AM #752
01-15-09, 11:09 AM #753
Mostly gibberish in my view. I don't see the Israelis bombing their own hospital if there is a gunman in it.
01-15-09, 11:11 AM #754
01-15-09, 11:13 AM #755
It happens too often with the IDF. And they already admitted their shelling of the UNWRA school was a "mistake" too.
The United Nations is claiming Israeli military officers have admitted there was no Palestinian gunfire emanating from inside an UNRWA school in Gaza which was shelled by an IDF tank.
Dozens of Palestinians were killed in the shelling.
In addition, UNRWA Thursday announced it will cease activities in the Strip due to the death of an UNRWA staffer in an IDF shelling during Thursday morning's humanitarian hiatus.
UNRWA spokesman Chris Gunness told Haaretz yesterday that the army had conceded wrongdoing
01-15-09, 11:14 AM #756
01-15-09, 11:14 AM #757
Maybe Hamas should stop attacking Israel, then there would be no more mistakes.
01-15-09, 11:19 AM #758
Hasn't worked yet.
We analyzed the entire timeline of killings of Palestinians by Israelis, and killings of Israelis by Palestinians, in the Second Intifada, based on the data from the widely-respected Israeli Human Rights group B'Tselem (including all the data from September 2000 to October 2008).
We defined "conflict pauses" as periods of one or more days when no one is killed on either side, and we asked which side kills first after conflict pauses of different durations. As shown in Figure 2, this analysis shows that it is overwhelmingly Israel that kills first after a pause in the conflict: 79% of all conflict pauses were interrupted when Israel killed a Palestinian, while only 8% were interrupted by Palestinian attacks (the remaining 13% were interrupted by both sides on the same day). In addition, we found that this pattern -- in which Israel is more likely than Palestine to kill first after a conflict pause -- becomes more pronounced for longer conflict pauses. Indeed, of the 25 periods of nonviolence lasting longer than a week, Israel unilaterally interrupted 24, or 96%, and it unilaterally interrupted 100% of the 14 periods of nonviolence lasting longer than 9 days
01-15-09, 11:24 AM #759
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