News from Gaza Part 2

[nirakar]

Right there you have just proven that you don't have any Idea of what you are talking about.

This is the Palestinina Mandate my friend:



This is a map ot the Middle East, and if you care to notice the pink area, that was part of the Palistinian Mandate
referenced by map above, and that Part became Jordan, it was first called the Trans Jordan, then it was Jordan.

The Arabs got 80% of the land, and tried to steal the rest.

Whether you use 1923 as Jordan's independence year as Jordan does, or 1946 as Jordan's independence year or say that Jordan is still ruled by the west; Jordan was not a remaining part of the Palestine Mandate which the UN partitioned in 1948.

[Buffalo Roam]

Whether you use 1923 as Jordan's independence year as Jordan does, or 1946 as Jordan's independence year or say that Jordan is still ruled by the west; Jordan was not a remaining part of the Palestine Mandate which the UN partitioned in 1948.

Read the header on the Map.

The British Mandate of Palestine.

No Jordan recieved it Statehood before Israel, but it was absolutly part and parcel of the British Mandate of Palestine.

So me any legal document that support your point.

[Crunchy Cat]

They tend to vote Republican...

They certainly don't sound like democrats.

What society would that be? You mean the society that allowed them to spout racist comments at political rallies, only to be stopped when the candidates realised it might harm their political bids?

Sure. Freedom of speech is awesome. It lets the mean people identify whom they are and get judged... which in turn results in power loss.

No, they just have them sign bombs and missiles instead. That's not hatred.. As I said before, it is the thought that counts.

Heh, bombs with love. I remember those... they were for Hezbollah in Lebanon. I agree that a bomb signing should never be something a child is exposed to. That is bad and at the same time it is not a norm.

But it's not exactly working at the moment, is it? Israel's only supporter at the moment looks to be the US, and even that appears to be because the US has to support Israel no matter what..

People are questioning Israel, not Hamas. Why are they questioning Israel's actions? Proportionality maybe? The back stepping and denial in the face of proof? Israel's claiming to care about civilians on the one hand but on the other hand, proving again and again their complete disregard for said civilians.

Huh? I would say it's working very well. Hamas knows that by endangering their civilians, Israel will "appear" mean.

The reality is that Hamas is a threat to Israel both in intention and in action. A dead militant and innocent bystandards is far more valuable to Israel than a live militant and innocent bystandards.

I personally think that both Israel and Egypt should set up guarded safe zones for civilians to stay in while the war against Hamas ensues. Hamas would of course try to kill escaping civilians which would instead put the spotlight on them and meanwhile Israel could wipe them out.

Oh I think they do. Lets say for Halloween I were to dress my children in army costumes and give them both toy guns. I post the images a few weeks later and am accused of preaching hatred to my children. No one realises that I dressed them as soldiers for Halloween... context is everything in images.

Have some context:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdRXkT1_eoI

I am surprised no one has yet started threads about UNICEF and New Zealand boys who dress like their ancestral warriors and perform war dances with spears while facing white men... Why? Context.. We do not know what the context of those images happen to be. There is at least one photo of me as a child sitting next to my father as he looked to be building some huge rocket like thing. If it was posted, how many do you think would know it was a gigantic firework? What if I was a Palestinian?

Have some more context:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTu-AUE9ycs

Who happens to be the ruling Government at the present time.. democratically elected at that..

Good to see the want of toppling democratically elected Governments hasn't passed..

Does being a democratically elected government make it democratic?

So without watching it properly, you made a claim and an accusation?.. Interesting. Preconceptions do a lot, don't they?

What are you talking about? Read my original description... find the segment in the video that matches it (if you can't find it, I'll point out the exact second it starts and ends). Gunmen takes random child from group, gunman walks across unpopulated area with child in front of him, gunman drops child in different group when in their midst. It's that simple.

You really think the Israelis would hand over their soldiers to face war crimes? And you're calling me naive? They are as likely to accept or agree to any war crimes charges as Hamas is.

I disagree and here's why. Israel is dependent on the international community... especially the U.S. If they don't accept accountability then we'll order it.

[Crunchy Cat]

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Lol... look draqon made a funny.

[Buffalo Roam]

Lol... look draqon made a funny.

Looks like Cyrillic to me, is he describing what Russia did to Chechnya, turned it into hell.

[Buffalo Roam]

Easy enough to straighten out any problems - allow the Red Cross etc, and the mainstream press, access as in honest wars.

Until then, we have to go by past history and present circumstance, which means in Israel's case not believing a thing their military PR says.

In honest wars? the Red Cross and the Main Stream Press never have had unlimited access to the battle field.

Even limited access is tightly controlled?

Where did you ever come up with that ludicrous notion?
Oh wait, your are famous for doing just that.

If you care to look at the Reporters imbedded with the U.S. Troops during the Iraq invasion, you will find that they confirmed and supported the military reports of what had taken place in any action.

[S.A.M.]

The Israelis have bombed the UNWRA hospital in Gaza with white phosphorus shells. It's up in flames. There were 700 people taking shelter there, not to mention it's also the place where they store and distribute food and medicine from

[draqon]

Looks like Cyrillic to me, is he describing what Russia did to Chechnya, turned it into hell.

you cant discern your own English language?!!

[Bells]

The UN's relief agency, Unrwa, says part of its HQ in Gaza was set on fire after being hit by Israeli shell fire.

UN chief Ban Ki-Moon expressed outrage and said Israel described it as a grave mistake, although Israel denied this.

Efforts to reach a truce continue, with Israel's head negotiator in Cairo to discuss an Egyptian ceasefire plan.

Hamas said the talks had made progress, but did not elaborate.

Speaking to reporters on the Israel-Gaza border, Unrwa spokesman Christopher Gunness said three of the agency's employees were hurt in the attack on its compound in Gaza City.

He said the compound was hit by what Unrwa believed to be three white phosphorus shells, which are incendiary weapons used to create smoke screens.

The BBC's Rushdi Abualouf describes the scene outside his home

About 700 people were still sheltering in the compound, he said, and the fire had been burning close to five full fuel tanks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7829912.stm

So, after bombing them for weeks, leaving them without sufficient food, water, power, fuel, etc. They now set fire to the agency that is trying to help the civilians... by using WP and bombing a place they knew was the UN compound and that was sheltering 700 civilians?

The United Nations said three shells containing white phosphorous had struck the main compound belonging to its Relief and Works Agency, setting one building on fire and injuring three UN workers.
The United Nations Secretary-General Ban-ki Moon, who was in Tel Aviv in a meeting with Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni when he heard of the attack on the UN's headquarters, expressed outrage.
According to the head of UN operations in Gaza, John Ging, the compound's warehouse and workshop were burning out of control.
"It's a very big fire, and we're not able to get it under control at the moment," Mr Ging said.
With gun battles going on around the facility, he said, "the emergency services are not able to get to us."
The UN announced it had suspended all operations in Gaza.
Other buildings reportedly shelled included the headquarters of the Palestinian Red Crescent Society, the al-Aqsa hospital, and a building housing the offices of Reuters news agency.
The Israeli offensive came after Hamas militants launched about 20 Qassam rockets into Israel, despite reports that a ceasefire deal was near.

http://www.theage.com.au/world/israe...0115-7i5l.html

And a hospital and aid agency to boot.

All this after they bombed UN schools...

[Buffalo Roam]

Now we have the obligatry attack on the U.N.

Isn't it interesting that in every fight with the Terrorist we get incidents of supposed callous attacks against U.N. facilities by Israel.

This seems to happen on a schedule, and is a standard tactic of Muslim Terrorist.

Now lets here from U.N. peace keepers who have direct knowledge of what happens.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/...9-7f94d5fc6d50

Hezbollah was using UN post as 'shield'
Canadian wrote of militia's presence, 'necessity' of bombing
Joel Kom, with files from Steven Edwards, CanWest News Service, The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Thursday, July 27, 2006

Nad when the full story comes out it is because the Terrorist, Hamas, Hezbulla, who ever set up fighting position right next to the U.N. facilities.

The clearest example of this is the case of Major Paeta Hess-Von Krudener

Just last week, Maj. Hess-von Kruedener wrote an e-mail about his experiences after nine months in the area, words Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie said are an obvious allusion to Hezbollah tactics.

"What I can tell you is this," he wrote in an e-mail to CTV dated July 18. "We have on a daily basis had numerous occasions where our position has come under direct or indirect fire from both (Israeli) artillery and aerial bombing.

"The closest artillery has landed within 2 meters (sic) of our position and the closest 1000 lb aerial bomb has landed 100 meters (sic) from our patrol base. This has not been deliberate targeting, but rather due to tactical necessity."

Those words, particularly the last sentence, are not-so-veiled language indicating Israeli strikes were aimed at Hezbollah targets near the post, said Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie.

"What that means is, in plain English, 'We've got Hezbollah fighters running around in our positions, taking our positions here and then using us for shields and then engaging the (Israeli Defence Forces)," he said.

That would mean Hezbollah was purposely setting up near the UN post, he added.

It's a tactic Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie, who was the first UN commander in Sarajevo during the Bosnia civil war, said he's seen in past international missions: Aside from UN posts, fighters would set up near hospitals, mosques and orphanages.

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UN Peacekeepers Begged Hezbollah to Stop Using Them As Human Shields. UN, LA Times Blame Israel Anyway.
The Los Angeles Times's coverage of Israel is, as always, shrill with hand-wringing hysteria:

Under Fire for 6 Hours, U.N. Peacekeepers Pleaded for Help Before Being Killed, U.N. Says
The United Nations post where four peacekeepers were killed by Israeli fire Tuesday was hit at least 16 times over six hours, including five direct hits on the base as its unarmed staff repeatedly notified Israeli liaison officers and begged for help, U.N. officials said Wednesday. On Tuesday U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said the airstrike that hit the post in southern Lebanon was "apparently deliberate."

Actually this story - again, almost as always with the Los Angeles - is incomplete to the point of arguably being an outright lie. The UN post did indeed plead for help, but not just for six hours. Rather, they had been pleading for help for more than a week. And they weren't pleading for protection from Israeli aircraft. Quite the opposite - they were begging Hezbollah to stop using them as human shields:

Annan's... UN Interim Force in Lebanon has been warning for days about what almost certainly caused this tragedy. Hezbollah fighters, who have already been firing behind screens of women and children, have also been shooting from behind and next to the UN positions, presumably hoping Israel will not dare shoot back and risk exactly this kind of propaganda disaster... the UNIFIL press releases [states] that Hezbollah has not just shot at and seriously wounded UNIFIL observers... [but] that UNIFIL has repeatedly reported Israeli shelling and bombing near UNIFIL outposts because Hezbollah fighters were shooting from right beside them . Says the UNIFIL press release of 20 July:
Hezbollah firing was also reported from the immediate vicinity of the UN positions in Naquora and Maroun Al Ras areas at the time of the incidents (of Israeli return fire)...

Retired Canadian Major General Lewis Mackenzie says he recently received emails from the Canadian peacekeeper killed at the UN post who’d told him that Hezbollah was using his post as cover.

[S.A.M.]

According to the IDF it was a "mistake" to bomb the UNWRA hospital. Oops I did it again, lost a white phosphorus missile over a hospital and the media center, even though both had given the coordinates to the IDF and had been calling them all day to warn them that the shelling was too close.

[Buffalo Roam]

According to the IDF it was a "mistake" to bomb the UNWRA hospital. Oops I did it again, lost a white phosphorus missile over a hospital and the media center, even though both had given the coordinates to the IDF and had been calling them all day to warn them that the shelling was too close.

Reference my above Post.

Sounds exactly like the description of what Happened in Lebanon, and Sarajevo during the Bosnia civil war,

[S.A.M.]

Mostly gibberish in my view. I don't see the Israelis bombing their own hospital if there is a gunman in it.

[Buffalo Roam]

Mostly gibberish in my view. I don't see the Israelis bombing their own hospital if there is a gunman in it.

Reference my above Post.[QUOTE=Buffalo Roam;2141348]

Sounds exactly like the description of what Happened in Lebanon, and Sarajevo during the Bosnia civil war,

[S.A.M.]

It happens too often with the IDF. And they already admitted their shelling of the UNWRA school was a "mistake" too.

The United Nations is claiming Israeli military officers have admitted there was no Palestinian gunfire emanating from inside an UNRWA school in Gaza which was shelled by an IDF tank.

Dozens of Palestinians were killed in the shelling.

In addition, UNRWA Thursday announced it will cease activities in the Strip due to the death of an UNRWA staffer in an IDF shelling during Thursday morning's humanitarian hiatus.

UNRWA spokesman Chris Gunness told Haaretz yesterday that the army had conceded wrongdoing

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054009.html

[Buffalo Roam]

It happens too often with the IDF. And they already admitted their shelling of the UNWRA school was a "mistake" too.



http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054009.html

Reference my above Post.[quote=Buffalo Roam;2141348]

Sounds exactly like the description of what Happened in Lebanon, and Sarajevo during the Bosnia civil war,

[spidergoat]

Maybe Hamas should stop attacking Israel, then there would be no more mistakes.

[S.A.M.]

Hasn't worked yet.

We analyzed the entire timeline of killings of Palestinians by Israelis, and killings of Israelis by Palestinians, in the Second Intifada, based on the data from the widely-respected Israeli Human Rights group B'Tselem (including all the data from September 2000 to October 2008).

We defined "conflict pauses" as periods of one or more days when no one is killed on either side, and we asked which side kills first after conflict pauses of different durations. As shown in Figure 2, this analysis shows that it is overwhelmingly Israel that kills first after a pause in the conflict: 79% of all conflict pauses were interrupted when Israel killed a Palestinian, while only 8% were interrupted by Palestinian attacks (the remaining 13% were interrupted by both sides on the same day). In addition, we found that this pattern -- in which Israel is more likely than Palestine to kill first after a conflict pause -- becomes more pronounced for longer conflict pauses. Indeed, of the 25 periods of nonviolence lasting longer than a week, Israel unilaterally interrupted 24, or 96%, and it unilaterally interrupted 100% of the 14 periods of nonviolence lasting longer than 9 days

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-..._b_155611.html

[Buffalo Roam]

Hasn't worked yet.





http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-..._b_155611.html

The Huffington Post

Couldn't you find a less biased publication, Arianna Huffington's rag is anything but neutral.

[S.A.M.]

The study is conducted by Tel Aviv University