News from Gaza Part 2

[Buffalo Roam]

“ Originally Posted by Ghost_007
Oh, its their fault that civilians died because they tried to defend themselves (and their civilians) from attacks against them. That really makes a lot of sense. Kill innocent people, blame their leaders, then kill them all (leaders and civilians) and blame them for trying to resist. Really crazy stuff their Buffs. ”

No it's the Japanese Governments fault for starting a war, not accepting the fact that they were defeated, accepting the Peace offered, and the population for supporting the Japanese government in their war.


“ Originally Posted by Ghost_007
History will not forget the barbarous nature of the Christian US, that attack is the most brutal, unforgiving and heinous act ever committed by any man, Atheist, theist whatever, and here you are, a practising defending it. I'm sure Jesus is pleased. ”

But you want history to forget and forgive the Barbarity of the Japanese in their pursuit of Empire, to Justify Hamas in its actions, and the castigate the Israelis for defending it's people from the Continuous Attacks by Hamas against them.

Hamas, Muslims, Bushido, to proud to admit defeat, unless it is at the point of total destruction.

Actually, Bushido is a superior to Muslim Islam, they at least could step back in the end from national suicide, and accept the defeat, and live the Peace.



“ Originally Posted by Ghost_007
You still don't get it. 2 wrongs don't make a right, if someone kills your children, it doesn't give you the right to kill your children. Hamas and Israel are both wrong for killing innocent people, it just so happens to be the case that Israel (one of the most despised nations on this planet) excels at killing innocent women and children, just look at the stats since this conflict started.

Up to 600 Palestinians killed and around 4 Israelis. ”

"2 wrongs don't make a right,"

Doesn't have a thing to do with it,

Hamas has deliberately and with total indifference targeted Israeli Children and Civilians.

Hamas set up its launch position in civilian areas, deliberately with total cynical indifference to the civilian casualties they invite because of their action in drawing retaliation for their attacks.

Hamas with total denial of the fact that they have been defeated, continue with cold calculated indifference, to draw down death and destruction on the people of Gaza, and then cry for pity as the war and defeat is now brought to reality in the Gaza.

"Yes, Muslims and the Dhimmi, if it happens to a Muslem Child, Oh the Tragedy, Wail the Mourning Cry, but if it happens to a Dhimmi Child it is a justifiable, get over it. ”

[(Q)]

Hi everyone. Very sad day. Just popped in to tell you that al Jazeera has boots on the ground in Gaza and you can watch the massacre for yourself. Its...unbelievable. No words.

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

If you prefer, you can also download livestation and watch it with the software

http://www.livestation.com/

If nothing else, I am fiercely glad that Israel has exposed itself to the world.

Just couldn't stay away, so predictable. Here's Sam's Islamic take on things from another forum in a nutshell.

"Jews should not have moved to a predominantly Muslim state." ~ samcdkey

[pjdude1219]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2...r_in_Palestine
look under ] Meeting of Golda Meir and King Abdullah I of Jordan (10 May)

[Buffalo Roam]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2...r_in_Palestine
look under ] Meeting of Golda Meir and King Abdullah I of Jordan (10 May)

Seems it wasn't Golda Meir, who cut a deal for Jordan to annex the West Bank, it was the British.

On 10 May, Golda Meir and Ezra Danin secretly went to Aman, to the palace of King Abdullah to discuss the situation with him. The situation that Abdullah found himself in was difficult. On one hand, his personal ambitions, the promises made by the Yishuv in November 1947 and the British approval of these promises pushed him to consider annexing the Arab part of Palestine without intervening against the future state of Israel.

And yes I knew this I just wanted you to prove it.

Next time use the copy feature to cite the pertinent passage, it make it more convenient.

But in the end Jordan provided refuge to the Palestinians, and they in the end tried to stage a Coup and overthrow the government of Jordan.

[Cellar_Door]

Israel is so concerned for the lives of international reporters that it doesnt let them in to the Gazza Strip to report the news or is there another reason

Absolutely. War crimes are not justified by the fact past wrongs have been done to your country. Would it have been just to kill hundreds of German civilians after the liberation of the camps? Anything so long as the Jews are under no threat.

Personally I find it sickening that so many Israelis have gathered on the hilltops to watch the death and destruction and 'show their support'. They believe their own propaganda.

[chris4355]

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The first one was one to many.

Again, a pinch isn't a 60lb rocket war head, and this stupid idea of proportional response, bullshit.

This isn't your neighbor pinching your wife's ass, this isn't a kid who is being bad, and needs a little correction, this is will full murder by 60 years of refusing to make peace, indiscriminate targeting and suicide bombing, not only in Israel, but across the world.

The Israelis have been using the Politically Correct limited Response, for 60 years they go in, and screw around and leave because the world wants a limited proportional response, and what has it gotten them?

Squat!!

More deaths after Hamas, or who ever gets rearmed, no peace just another round of rocket and mortar rounds, suicide bombing, and then Israel using a limited action, and then Being Condemned for not using Proportional Response.

Proportional Response, my aching ass, when high explosive are used indiscriminantly as Hamas does, it is time to crush with overwhelming force and end the problem to your satisfaction, enforce the defeat, and rebuild the Peace.

This is no longer just a responce it is war, and should be conducted with the full fury of war to bring peace, one way or another.

And killing hundreds, injuring thousands is a proportional response to killing 2 people?

Don't try to reason with me with this kind of bullshit anyone with half a brain can realize this is a massacre, people like you disgust me.

[Crunchy Cat]

Try watching the news. The Israeli criminal offensive is killing innocent Palestinians.

Dude, my statement was reported by the news and you are still refusing to acknowledge that Hamas INTENTIONALLY places themselves in civilian areas so those "innocent Palestinians" are killed.

So yes, I agree. Israel is killing "innocent Palestinians" but they don't want to. They want to kill Hamas, but Hamas is ensuring civilian casualties. Now it's your turn to acknowledge what Hamas is doing. They have all the control. They can stop Israel by stopping their rockets... it's a simple idea... tit for tat. Alternatively, they can drastically minimize civilian casualties by not intentionally embedding their militias amongst civilians.

[Crunchy Cat]

Crunchy Cat ,to - 007,



Yes there is a psychological block because he is Muslim.

I see. I hope he can get around that and view things a little more objectively.

[Buffalo Roam]

Absolutely. War crimes are not justified by the fact past wrongs have been done to your country. Would it have been just to kill hundreds of German civilians after the liberation of the camps? Anything so long as the Jews are under no threat.

Yes, Hamas has no justification for their present actions, and their actions of the last 30 years.

Personally I find it sickening that so many Israelis have gathered on the hilltops to watch the death and destruction and 'show their support'. They believe their own propaganda.

Really, and citation of fact is required. Civilians would not be allowed to enter any war zone just to watch.

[fedr808]

I know of no policy in the U.S. that allows for the unnecessary killing of Civilian, in 20 years in the military I have never heard of such a policy.

Read the news, we take the unnecessary killing of civilians very seriously, all you need to do is look at the investigations and trials of those who do so.

Even the allegation will bring a full investigation.

I am sorry buffalo i worded that incorrectly, i meant that if civilians are being used as human shields, the US will hesitate where Israel won't, i didnt mean it in the way you read it.

[Cellar_Door]

Yes, Hamas has no justification for their present actions, and their actions of the last 30 years.

Where did I say they did have?
I can hardly believe that anyone is supporting this. Israel has shown complete contempt for the international court. Yet the media continues to be biased in the face of adversity.

Really, and citation of fact is required. Civilians would not be allowed to enter any war zone just to watch.

When did I say they had entered the war zone? As for citation, it was on Channel Four News about an hour ago - this included interviews from Israelis who had come from Jerusalem to show support for the actions of their government. It'll be on again at 10 o'clock if you think for some reason I'm being dishonest in my argument.

[fedr808]

Yeh, kill every single last one of them.

You stupid Yank bastard.

Oh please 007, do you seriously think that all of your nations could stand up to the US superpower and even tie? You guys buy 2nd rate Russian crap, your tanks are useless, hell they are nicknamed death traps.

The tanks you guys use are shit, when America invaded Kuwait in the first gulf war, 2000 someodd Iraqi tanks, the standard of the middle eastern Muslim countries were obliterated. Quite literally not one US tank was destroyed. You guys were cowaring, running away from a tank force that was indestructable with your weapons. Yeah sure, maybe if your lucky you can amass a massive army of one million. But dude, you would arm them with ak's and rpg's. And an rpg cant do anything against an apache helicopter.

A US cluster bomb can take out hundreds of your soldiers, a thermobaric bomb will set your lungs on fire and shatter your skeleton. Your tanks will be destroyed, your barracks erased from existance, your soldier annihalated.

Every attack on US troops has been three on one, for every three pathetic Islamic war fighter, there is one hardened, trained, and effective US soldier.

Why do you think your soldiers celebrate when they kill one? Because for them to kill is a super rare occurence.


You guys cold not stand against yourselves let alone the world super power. And let me tell you, no supernatural will come for you.

What in your little world thinks you can stand against anything.

[fedr808]

Hiroshima? 140,000 innocent people dead?...

Here's the funny part, people like the uS want to destroy these devices, YOU want to make them and use them en mass, against every person that you feel is different

[Buffalo Roam]

Where did I say they did have?
I can hardly believe that anyone is supporting this. Israel has shown complete contempt for the international court. Yet the media continues to be biased in the face of adversity.



When did I say they had entered the war zone? As for citation, it was on Channel Four News about an hour ago - this included interviews from Israelis who had come from Jerusalem to show support for the actions of their government. It'll be on again at 10 o'clock if you think for some reason I'm being dishonest in my argument.

Which new? the world is wide, and the media vast.

And again, they are no where near close enough to see the action, because if they were close enough to see anything they would be close enough to get killed, and Israel wouldn't allow for that.

They may come out and cheer convoys going to the front, but they are not sitting on the hills watching the action.

[Buffalo Roam]

And killing hundreds, injuring thousands is a proportional response to killing 2 people?

Don't try to reason with me with this kind of bullshit anyone with half a brain can realize this is a massacre, people like you disgust me.

This tell me that there is no reasoning with you, you have made up your mind and don't wish to be confused by the facts.

The First Fact being that this is not a massacre.

The second fact is that Hamas has the conscious will, intention and purpose to kill children and civilians, even their own children, they send them out as suicide bombers, to kill other children.



Two out of Three aren't bad, your batting 66%, but you need to work on the speaking part.

As to having half a brain there is nothing you can do about that.

[chuuush]

after a free few days of random shooting spree at the civilians, and wholly destryoing a family of 7, a pregnant woman with her 4 children, and a family of 12 in the last two days, the IDF has finally resumed its conventional practice of surgical targeting of the civilians. This time hitting 3 UN schools where the civilians (who frightened by the IDF phone threats forcing them to leave their homes or be bombed) had sought refuge. The number of casualties is said to be over 50. I wonder how you interpret it, but given the latest technology the Zionists have and the coordinates already given to them, this can only be considered an act of terrorism.

[spidergoat]

Absolute nonsense.

[Buffalo Roam]

after a free few days of random shooting spree at the civilians, and wholly destryoing a family of 7, a pregnant woman with her 4 children, and a family of 12 in the last two days, the IDF has finally resumed its conventional practice of surgical targeting of the civilians. This time hitting 3 UN schools where the civilians (who frightened by the IDF phone threats forcing them to leave their homes or be bombed) had sought refuge. The number of casualties is said to be over 50. I wonder how you interpret it, but given the latest technology the Zionists have and the coordinates already given to them, this can only be considered an act of terrorism.

Yes, and Hamas doesn't put their fighting position next to schools and civilian housing, and they don't use Mosques for weapons bunkers.

Yes, it all could have been avoided by just stop firing the Rockets.

Hamas has lost so why don't they give it up? Stop the dying, they can do that any time.

[spidergoat]

And killing hundreds, injuring thousands is a proportional response to killing 2 people?

Don't try to reason with me with this kind of bullshit anyone with half a brain can realize this is a massacre, people like you disgust me.

The actual kill rate of Hamas rockets is not that important. With thousands being launched, they had the potential to kill thousands of people. If I drove through your neighborhood shooting in random directions but killed no one, would the police be justified in using deadly force to stop me? Without a doubt they would.

[cosmictraveler]

Just one time I'd like to see anyone from Hamas go toe to toe with any Israeli soldier out on a open battlefield, man to man or woman to man and see just how great the Hamas leaders and their soldiers are against each other. But no, that never happens, why not, because Hamas always hides behind women and children to use them as human shields. Hamas are the lowest forms of fighters I've ever seen.