Vista Time

**lixluke** · 12-22-08, 12:34 PM

I'm thinking about going to Vista. I was wondering if anybody here has any good experiences with it. Any advice on good security apps for that?

**~~CheskiChips~~** · 12-22-08, 01:54 PM

What kind of Security?

Let me give you a little advice;
Security bogs down the system and closes doors, if it's not made literally inside of the O.S. then it's usually relaying all of the access commands through a secondary process...which means error rates are higher and processing time lengthened.

Be your own security, don't go places you shouldn't go. Don't download things you don't know work. I've had my computer for a year with no security and never had any problems. Before that with XP I also never had virii, I think in my life I've only had one trojan which I could detect by an irregular amount of traffic in my router.

Some people are worried about people hacking their computers and stealing their information. How about just disable the ethernet when not in use? If you can turn off your harddisk when idle, I am sure you can turn off your ethernet on sleep...in fact I think it generally does when it goes to sleep.

Sorry, it's just that people who buy anti-virus piss me off unless they're in their 30's and don't know anything about computers. People who get flu shots also piss me off.

**cosmictraveler** · 12-22-08, 02:14 PM

Here's my problem with it. I have had, Win 98 SE , Win 2000 and Win XP. Since spending over 1,000.00 on the three of them all together I'm not soending another penny in another Microsoft product when my XP works just fine. I've not heard to many complaints about it other than you should get as much RAM as you can to help it run faster. At least 3 gig's would be the way to go.

**lixluke** · 12-22-08, 08:19 PM

I have no intention of paying for any software. I have been running perfect validated XP running which runs beyond perfect for years that I got from the secret community. Now that Vista is out and about you can get validated retail copies that are exact clones of any store bought copies.

I guess Vista has it's own firewall, spyware, and antivirus. I do feel the need to install something though. Just to stay on the safe side. You never know what site might have something lethal.

**~~CheskiChips~~** · 12-23-08, 02:42 AM

So you're an openly confessed thief?

"Secret Community", that's cute. It takes a "secret community" to discover Corporate versions of XP, not maybe...any idiot with a computer and the internet?

You're talking to someone who had longhorn the day before it was presented as a prototype...

l!xluK3, if you're going to websites that may potentially give you virii...then you deserve the user-end effects of 3rd party protection software. It does make me wonder why you asked the question at all...as only a slight variation of answers will satisfy your request. Lixluke is on block for being a r3t4rd.

**lixluke** · 05-11-09, 09:33 AM

Yes I am a thief. I steal from the rich bastards who take everything from the poor.

Anyway, I did install Vista Ultimate 64 SP1 March09 version. It crashed on me while I was installing the updates. My friend suggested installing the Windows 7 Beta release which is legit anyway because it's free. (They don't like calling it a beta which it is.) Do you think that it will run all the games and apps that worked on Vista and XP?

**Anti-Flag** · 05-11-09, 09:40 AM

It should do, I'm pretty sure they try their best to design things as backward compatible like Vista is. Go with windows 7, Vista can run fine for ages and then suddenly it decides it's fucked.

**Blue_UK** · 05-11-09, 01:04 PM

I just got a windows server 2008 (based on vista) machine at work. 8GB ram, 3Hz processor. LAGGY AS SIN!

Only explaination; vista-like OS's are crap. XP is instantly responsive.

(other explaination: I've screwed it somehow)

**Enterprise-D** · 05-11-09, 02:34 PM

Blue: I think your other explanation is probably the issue, cause I've been testing 2008 at the office as well. Server Standard (GUI) Runs happily on even a PC (2GB, 3GHz). Hell I even have Server Core running on a VM (768MB, 20GB allocated on a Core2 laptop). Was able to demo it remotely to my tech staff

To answer Lix's question, Vista is a good OS for NEW users...generally if you try to port a lot of legacy programs to it, Vista will likely not react well. Without advocating or encouraging piracy, it might be worth it to wait til Seven if you've got a lot of existing titles that might not work with Vista.

**lixluke** · 05-11-09, 07:15 PM

I've been using XP Pro fine. But I figured I would install Vista because of 64-bit and DirectX. Those are the only 2 advantages I know of that Vista has over XP. Other those 2, are there is there any other advantage that would make Vista worth using over XP.

I've never even tested any software compatibility with Vista. I just installed it, and ran Windows Update. Then, the configuring went bad so it kept restarting itself to undo the changes then do them again. Then undo them and do them again.

**Anti-Flag** · 05-11-09, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by lixluke

I've been using XP Pro fine. But I figured I would install Vista because of 64-bit and DirectX. Those are the only 2 advantages I know of that Vista has over XP. Other those 2, are there is there any other advantage that would make Vista worth using over XP.

I've never even tested any software compatibility with Vista. I just installed it, and ran Windows Update. Then, the configuring went bad so it kept restarting itself to undo the changes then do them again. Then undo them and do them again.

I may be wrong but I believe there's a 64 bit XP now. You might be better with that, but I don't know a lot about it.

**kmguru** · 05-11-09, 07:57 PM

Go with XP Pro until Windows 7 comes out. For Vista to run well, you need a second generation quad core with 6GB memory. That is what my son has, which works just fine. I have a decent 2K machine which has a zillion software that would not run on Vista. I had one chinese spy software that took a while to get rid of it...no anti-virus software could detect it let alone clean it.

**Anti-Flag** · 05-11-09, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by kmguru

Go with XP Pro until Windows 7 comes out. For Vista to run well, you need a second generation quad core with 6GB memory. That is what my son has, which works just fine. I have a decent 2K machine which has a zillion software that would not run on Vista. I had one chinese spy software that took a while to get rid of it...no anti-virus software could detect it let alone clean it.

Actually a lot less than that works fine for actually running it, A good dual core and more than 3GB of memory is fine, it's just that Vista is full of bugs and can decide to fuck up randomly. That's not hardware related at all.

**nietzschefan** · 05-11-09, 11:28 PM

Stick with XP unless you NEED to use 64bit/4GIG+memory. DX10 is a sham.

If you NEED the above, just wait for win7 which will have an XP virtual machine preinstalled to run old apps(mostly anything except games reliably).

If you like Games wait and see with Win7. If you want to run the shithot brand new games RIGHT NOW, then I would actually recommend Vista.

**brokenpower** · 05-12-09, 02:08 AM

get ubuntu.

It's free, it'll always be free... no viruses, no spyware or adware and you can still run your windows apps through the Wine plug-in.

Enjoy

**~~phlogistician~~** · 05-12-09, 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by brokenpower

get ubuntu.

It's free, it'll always be free... no viruses, no spyware or adware and you can still run your windows apps through the Wine plug-in.

Enjoy

Wine sucks for gaming, and the only reason there are no virii is because the OS is still fringe, and it's fringe 'cos it's no damn use for regular people.

It's also of no help to start talking about Linux, in a discussion about Vista, just makes Linux geeks look like assholes.

**Enterprise-D** · 05-12-09, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by phlogistician

Wine sucks for gaming, and the only reason there are no virii is because the OS is still fringe, and it's fringe 'cos it's no damn use for regular people.

It's also of no help to start talking about Linux, in a discussion about Vista, just makes Linux geeks look like assholes.

Well said! Saved me a bit of time

**Enterprise-D** · 05-12-09, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Anti-Flag

Actually a lot less than that works fine for actually running it, A good dual core and more than 3GB of memory is fine, it's just that Vista is full of bugs and can decide to fuck up randomly. That's not hardware related at all.

I've actually run Vista on a LOT less than that. 1.5GB, Athlon 2000 (test machine ppl not my main one

). It worked just peachy. And didn't crash.

That being said...

Originally Posted by nietzschefan

Stick with XP unless you NEED to use 64bit/4GIG+memory.

...I also agree with this. Hold out for Seven, unless there is a 64bit requirement right now.

**lixluke** · 05-12-09, 09:23 AM

I tried Ubuntu a few years ago, and it completely crashed on me when I was trying to install a desktop. I don't know how well it works now. I also tried 64-bit XP a few years ago, and came across some glitches.

So Vista really had no functional advantages over XP other than for using 64-bit apps and DX10 for gaming right? So I might as well use XP.

**~~phlogistician~~** · 05-12-09, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by Enterprise-D

I've actually run Vista on a LOT less than that. 1.5GB, Athlon 2000 (test machine ppl not my main one

). It worked just peachy. And didn't crash..

Yeah, I have a 1.4Ghz laptop, single core, 1GB of ram, and Vista works a treat, and never crashes. My Quad core with 2Gb flakes out every now and again, but I think that's down to some odd hardware, mostly.