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    Aether, mass and gravity in QWC

    Aether, mass and gravity in QWC

    I have spoken about the aether in my “Mass *has*gravity” thread in the pseudoscience forum, the first Quantum Wave Cosmology (QWC) thread on the forum. I made a case for moving QWC out of pseudoscience on the basis that is was protoscience and the rules of the Pseudoscience Forum address that possibility. I took up my discussion of QWC in the Cosmology Forum in the “QWC’s Niche” thread, and have mentioned the aether in passing there as well. In the mainstream there is a reference to a “luminiferous aether” that was not found by careful experiments. Luminiferous aether is referred to as superseded scientific theory since it was not discovered as predicted. That is not the same aether that QWC describes as being “connected” with mass and gravity.

    In any discussion of the aether in QWC, its connection to mass and gravity must be also be part of that discussion. All three are intimately connected to enable mass to exist, enable gravity, and to determine the path that mass takes as it moves. Those connections are discussed in the following paragraphs.

    In QWC the aether emanates from mass in the form of spherically expanding waves of energy. These waves originate within mass as the result of the force of quantum action. Quantum action is the force that represents the presence of a quantum of energy within mass. Quantum action is characterized by the collapse of a quantum of energy into a high density spot with location and momentum, and the burst of that spot into a spherically expanding quantum wave. The collapse of the quantum of energy is triggered by the presence of a quantum of energy within the intersection where quantum waves overlap. The convergence of energy that produces a quantum of energy within the small space required for quantum action to occur is the trigger for quantum action. The volume of the triggering space depends on the energy density of the immediate environment. The volume of space occupied by the high density spot is invariant and always equal to the smallest meaningful space and an invariant energy density that is required to produce quantum action. A quantum of energy is the smallest meaningful increment of energy. Mass is made up of energy in quantum increments and there is a repetitive sequence of quantum action within mass for every quanta that makes up the mass. The period of repetition is the shortest meaningful increment of time. When quantum action causes energy to emanate from mass that energy is added to the aether. The energy thus added to the aether is the same amount of energy that is absorbed from the aether by mass to replace the energy within the mass so that the equivalence between mass and energy is maintained on a quantum for quantum basis. The aether is therefore connected to mass and gravity. The term, “dragged” by mass is correct in QWC but the meaning of “dragged” differs from the meaning used in the various experiments that tested for luminiferous aether “dragging” and found none.

    The aether is required in QWC to maintain the equivalence between mass and energy, and because the cause of mass and gravity depends on it. The aether, like the universe, has always existed, but it is ever changing. The aether is continually refreshed by the existence of mass since the source of the aether is quantum action. Likewise the aether is the source of energy required to replace the energy of gravity that emanates from mass as a result of that same quantum action. The aether transmits gravity. The spherically expanding quantum waves that emanate from mass are what give gravity its infinite reach.

    You can quickly see the dual nature of the aether connection to mass and gravity in that 1) it emanates from mass and is absorbed back into mass to continually refresh the presence of the exact number of quanta that make up the mass, and 2) it transmits gravity across the distance between bodies of mass.

    The aether is connected to mass by an out flow of “push” energy that emanates from all mass and that has an infinite reach across space by way of the spherically expanding quantum waves that are produced by quantum action within mass. The aether is also connected to mass by a flow of “pull” energy into mass as the collapse of energy quanta occurs during formation of the high density spots within mass. For any given mass the push and pull are equivalent for each quantum time increment.

    The aether is connected to gravity since at any point in space the aether has energy density that is the product of all pushes and pulls of gravity from all mass in the universe. Therefore the path that mass takes through the aether is determined by the path of lowest energy density surrounding the mass.

    The energy of mass remains equivalent to the energy of the quantum increments that make up the mass but that energy is maintained because the gravitational energy that is emanated by mass is completely replaced by the gravitational energy from other mass that is absorbed to replace the emanated gravitational energy. Quantum action pulls energy into mass as high density spots form and the burst of those high density spots pushes energy out of mass. It is a balanced, continuous process of quantum action in mass that occurs repetitively for every quantum increment that makes up the mass. The amount absorbed by a given mass always equals the energy value of the energy emanating from mass in the form of gravity.

    QWC presents a physical picture that enables you to envision the dynamics of the aether, what causes mass and gravity, and how the path of mass through space is determined. Since it is still only protoscience there is no quantification.

    We don’t know the amount of energy in a quantum.
    We don’t know the amount of space required to trigger the collapse of a quantum of energy into a high density spot.
    We don’t know the energy density range required of the environment to maintain the process of quantum action within mass.
    We don’t know the maximum energy density achieved within a high density spot before it bursts.
    We don’t know the volume of space occupied by a high density spot at its peak energy density.
    We don’t know the average period of time between quantum action events that occur repetitively to maintain mass.
    We don’t know for sure that the radius of the spherically expanding quantum wave increases at the speed of light as expected.
    We don’t know if the process of quantum action at the quantum scale really equates to the process of the formation and burst of big crunches on the arena scale of the greater universe but I find that aspect of QWC interesting. Visualizing quantum action that takes place within mass, and visualizing the formation and burst of big crunches at the arena level as differing only on scale gives us two perspectives from which we can draw on to describe the natural force of quantum action.


    Notwithstanding what we don’t know about QWC, it provides ideas that are subject to possible quantification as the technology of scientific measurement advances. Those advances are required in order for science to fulfill its quest for a unifying theory, and QWC is anticipating those advancements.
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    The key to the aether flow is the force of quantum action.

    Quantum action is the collapse of a quantum of energy into a spot of the highest possible energy density in a smallest possible volume of space. In QWC the energy density of the spot is the maximum energy density that can be attained. The volume of the spot is the tiniest volume of space that can contain a quantum of energy at maximum energy density. We have a high density spot.

    When a quantum of energy is present and when the expansion of the energy density of the space it occupies is interrupted by intersecting quantum waves, the quantum of energy at the convergence of overlapping quantum waves will collapse into a high density spot.

    When the collapse occurs it will continue until the maximum possible energy density is achieved. When the maximum energy density is achieved the spot experiences a quantum bounce. The collapse is halted by reaching the maximum energy density threshold and the momentum of the collapse is converted into expansion energy.

    The quantum of energy expands spherically. As it expands its internal energy density decreases and the volume increases. As long as the expansion continues uninterrupted there will be a process of equalization of the energy density within the sphere. Tiny perturbations of energy density will exist within the expanding sphere but the density is constantly equalizing and the energy density of the perturbations continually declines and approaches the average equalized energy density. The quantum wave of energy will expand until it is interrupted by intersecting with similarly expanding quantum waves. How long it takes for an intersection to occur is determined by the energy density of the wider space occupied by multiple expanding quantum waves.

    When the intersection of quantum waves occurs there is an overlap formed and the energy density in the overlap is the combination of the energy density of the intersecting spherical waves. When the amount of energy in the overlap reaches a quantum of energy, the overlap will collapse into a high density spot.

    That is quantum action.

    The collapse of the energy into a high density spot is the "pull" action of quantum action, and the quantum bounce and spherical expansion of the quantum wave is the "push" action of quantum action.

    This pull and push not only causes gravity, but it pulls energy into mass to enable the continuation of quantum action, and it pushes energy out of mass to feed the aether flow. There is a continual exchange of energy between mass and the aether. The energy flowing into mass originated from the emanation of energy from distant mass, and the outflow of energy from mass will expand through the aether until it reaches and is absorbed by distant mass.

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    Gravity and containment

    Gravity rounds out the discussion of connections between the aether, mass, and gravity as orchestrated by quantum action.

    You know that in QWC the pull and push of quantum action causes the flow of the aether into and out of mass, and that this pull and push translates into gravity. But to understand gravity in QWC there is one more factor that comes into play. That factor is called “containment”. In QWC terminology containment delays the emanating push of quantum bursts relative to the pull of quantum collapses and creates a time delay in proportion to the mass.

    To visualize the effect of containment, first consider a single quantum of energy collapsing into a single high density spot and bursting into a single spherically expanding quantum wave. Since there is no surrounding mass, the energy that collapses into the high density spot must come from the aether. The pull equals the push and there is a net zero flow of aether energy from a single quantum action. The emanated quantum wave has an equal pull trough and push crest. There is no delay between the trough and the crest of the quantum wave. The wave structure of this single quantum wave includes a leading spherical pull trough of –e (e = one quantum of energy) and a trailing push crest of +e (-e +e = 0). Net zero energy is transmitted by a single uninterrupted quantum wave and no gravity is emanated by a single quantum action.

    Now consider a mass that contains multiple quanta that are repetitively participating in quantum action. There are now two sources of the energy that is captured by these quanta as they collapse into their high density spots. One is the energy flowing into mass from the aether and the other is the energy from expanding waves that were internally generated by quantum action within the mass.

    The delay occurs as the quantum wave produced by the burst of quantum action passes through the mass on its way to becoming an emanation. Its journey is interrupted as it encounters and intersects with other quantum waves, overlaps form, and subsequent quantum action occurs. A segment of the energy of the expanding waves is captured and becomes part of the new high density spots formed by these subsequent quantum actions. The result is that the when leading pull trough equal to a quantum of negative energy emanates from mass, the trailing push crest has less that a positive quantum of energy. The difference is caused by containment of the push crest of the quantum wave relative to the pull trough because some of the crest is delayed by containment.

    The time delay is always proportional to the mass and determines the net negative energy emanating from the mass. Gravity equals –e + (+e *(1- d)) where e is a quantum of energy and d is the delay due to containment as a percentage of e. Therefore containment determines the amount of gravity emanating from the mass. As containment increases, the amount of negative energy increases and so the gravity increases.
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    Comparison between the quantum level and the universal level in QWC

    So far this thread has addressed QWC from the perspective of the aether, mass, gravity and quantum action at the quantum level. This link goes to a post in another thread that addressed the landscape of the greater universe, i.e. the universal level.

    In Quantum Wave Cosmology mass has gravity. Also, if QWC is true, quantum action acts as if a quantum of energy itself is composed of sub-quantum increments of energy that act as if they are composed of mass that has gravity that causes the quantum collapse.

    This would put the quantum level itself above some sub-quantum level of order and we would be getting perilously close to talking about infinite regression or “Turtles all the way down”.

    QWC avoids this lower order catastrophe of infinite regression by limiting itself to two levels of order, the quantum level and the universal level and limits itself to reasonable and responsible speculation about ideas that qualify as protoscience. If there are turtles all the way down and we just happen to be in one of an infinite number of levels within an infinite regression, QWC leaves that idea out.

    But that brings up the similarity of the two levels of order that QWC includes; quantum action at the quantum level and the matter-to energy-to matter arena process that is characterized by the collapse of arenas of energy into a big crunches at the universal level.

    Here is a comparison:

    At the quantum level, quantum action occurs when a quantum of energy occupies a single energy environment. This circumstance occurs as multiple quantum waves intersect in the same space forcing a quantum of energy into a single energy environment at the convergence of those waves. As soon as that convergence contains a quantum of energy then quantum collapse occurs.

    At the universal level, an arena of energy in the form of galaxies and galactic remnants from multiple expanding arenas mix and merge as they rendezvous out in the greater universe. The overlap of expanding arenas forms new energy environments. Each overlap contains a contribution of energy from each intersecting arena forcing an arenas worth of energy in an overlap of multiple arenas. As soon as that convergence contains an arenas worth of energy a new arena forms and collapses into a big crunch.

    A quantum of energy at the quantum scale is represented by an arena of energy at the universal level.

    Intersecting quantum waves at the quantum level is represented by the intersection and overlap of expanding arenas at the universal level.

    The energy environment created by the intersection of quantum waves at the quantum level is the represented by the energy environment created by the intersection of expanding arenas at the universal level.

    The circumstance of a quantum of energy being forced into a single energy environment in space at the convergence of quantum waves at the quantum level is represented by the circumstance of an arenas worth of energy being forced into a single energy environment in space at the convergence of overlapping arenas at the universal level.

    The collapse of a quantum of energy into a high density spot at the quantum level is represented by the collapse of an arena into a big crunch at the universal level.

    The tiny energy density perturbations caused by the energy density fluctuations of the aether as a quantum of energy collapses at the quantum level is represented by the galaxies and galactic remnants that are captured in the collapse of an arena at the universal level.

    The aether being feed by expanding quantum waves generated by quantum action at the quantum level is represented by the landscape of the greater universe with its potentially infinite history of arena expansion and intersection at the universal level.

    The bounce and burst of a high density spot at the quantum level is represented by the defeat of gravity and the burst of the big crunch at the universal level.

    The spherically expanding quantum wave produced by quantum action at the quantum level is represented by the expanding ball of dense dark energy that emerges from a big crunch in the matter-to energy-to matter arena process at the universal level.

    Both the process of quantum action at the quantum level and the matter-to energy-to matter arena process at the universal level are perpetual and together account for the defeat of entropy in QWC.

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    Ramifications of quantum collapse in QWC

    Ramifications of quantum collapse in QWC

    Some important concepts mentioned in this post are discussed in the previous posts in this thread and the new concepts of “energy environments”, “energy density equalization”, and “jostling” are introduced.

    The concept of an “energy environment” has special meaning in QWC. An energy environment is a patch of space whose energy density is set apart from the surrounding energy density environments. Energy density at every point in space is always changing. Though the energy density of an energy environment is consistent across the entire environment it is also changing at the same rate across the entire environment. An energy environment must be completely surrounded by other energy environments but none of the surrounding environments can be at the same energy density.

    An energy environment can be as small as the overlap of intersecting quantum waves or as large as the expanding arena of energy related to the various stages of the formation, burst, and expansion of a big crunch. Even the greater universe as a whole is an energy environment that is defined to have an average energy density.

    When you discuss an energy environment you define the environment and once you define it, the energy density is the average energy density across the environment. For example if you discuss a single perturbation that exists within a collapsing quantum of energy, that perturbation caused by tiny energy density fluctuations that make up the aether is part of the larger energy environment represented by the collapsing quantum. The single perturbation is an energy environment within an energy environment caused by sub-quanta sized patches of space. This is the case with all energy environments because they are all environments within environments with the possible exceptions of those tiny fluctuations called sub-quanta or the greater universe as a whole.

    As you know if you have followed Quantum Wave Cosmology, a key feature is quantum collapse. Quantum collapse must occur when a quantum of energy occupies its own energy environment. That means that quantum collapse must be the natural response to the presence of a quantum of energy in its own energy environment formed when quantum waves converge.

    Note: It follows in QWC that at the universal level the collapse of galactic remnants into a big crunch must also be a natural response. The presence of an arenas worth of energy in a patch of space of the greater universe occurs when arena expansion has been interrupted by the convergence of multiple expanding arenas. This interruption causes overlaps in which an arenas worth of energy in the form of galaxies and galactic remnants occupies its own energy environment. The natural result is arena collapse into a big crunch.

    A perfect example of an energy environment at the quantum level is the overlap of spherically expanding quantum waves of energy generated by quantum action. As quantum waves expand and intersect with each other, the overlap contains energy from each of the individual spherical waves. For that brief instant, the overlap is a new energy environment. The amount of energy in the environment starts out at zero energy at the instant the waves intersect but before they overlap. As the intersection progresses into an overlap, the amount of energy increases as each wave contributes more and more energy to the overlap. The energy density of the overlap is always the sum of the energy density of the contributing waves.

    When the energy in the convergence of the quantum waves reaches a quantum itself, it collapses into a high density spot.

    There are ramifications of that collapse. The surrounding energy environments, i.e. the un-collapsed remains of the quantum waves that contributed to the collapsing quantum of energy are immediately affected by that collapse. Surrounding energy environments respond to the change in energy density of the adjacent environments. The collapse is clearly a change because the original space in the overlaps is still space, but the space needed for the high density spot is much less. The residual space would be a void, but in QWC there are no voids. As the collapse occurs, the zone vacated by the collapse is immediately filled by the energy in the surrounding environments. They rush into the low energy density sphere that surrounds the collapsing quantum as that quantum proceeds toward completion of its high density spot. This rush of energy into the low energy density zone is due to the natural mechanics of energy called “energy density equalization”.

    Since this rushing action is not itself an intersection or overlap and so no new quanta form directly from it, it is simply a change in the energy density of the surrounding environments. The surrounding energy environments rush into the zone as a result of energy density equalization. The shape of those individual environments changes as they fill the potential void. This reshaping is a swirling and stretching of the surrounding environments as the high density spot forms.

    In QWC this effect is called “jostling”. The low energy density zone created by the collapse is the leading trough of the quantum wave that is being produced by the collapsing quantum of energy. Jostling is the effect on the surrounding energy density fluctuations of the passing of the leading trough of the quantum wave produced by quantum action. The leading trough begins with the potential void caused by the collapse. The jostling occurs as the surrounding energy density environments attempt to equalize the energy density caused by the collapse. The trough spreads out spherically and jostles and pulls everything in its path toward the focus point of the high density spot.

    The crest of that quantum wave will follow the trough. The formation of the crest of the quantum wave occurs as the high density spot produced by the collapse bursts into expansion. As mentioned previously in this thread, the burst of the spot is the result of the momentum of the collapse being converted to expansion energy as the energy density within the collapse reaches the maximum possible energy density threshold.

    Energy density equalization and quantum collapse go together. You can’t have the resulting quantum wave structure and gravity without the characteristic of energy to equalize its energy density across its environment as quantum collapse occurs. Both the quantum wave and gravity are ramifications of quantum collapse.
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    The quantum space in QWC

    The quantum space in QWC

    In QWC each energy quantum has its own space, but it is willing to share. That may seem strange but it can be explained by describing the “quantum space”.

    The quantum space in QWC is the amount of space occupied by an initial quantum of energy as it gets established in its own energy environment. This occurs at a location in space and at an instant in time where quantum waves intersect and overlap so that the shared space at the intersection acquires a quantum of energy from the intersecting waves (this is what I meant by sharing space). This marks the beginning of the individual energy quantum. Clearly the energy is not created by the convergence of quantum waves, but the existence of the individual quantum in its own space and energy environment begins at that point.

    The volume of the quantum space changes throughout the process of quantum action. The volume of the initial quantum space is variable and is dependent on the energy density of the mass within which that “quantum energy increment” participates. But whatever that volume of space is, it immediately decreases in volume as the quantum of energy collapses. The duration of the collapse is directly related to the initial volume of the quantum space. It is this collapse that creates the pull trough of negative energy that begins the quantum wave structure.

    When the collapsing quantum of energy reaches the maximum possible energy density of the high density spot, the energy cannot be further compressed. The momentum of the collapse reaches maximum velocity (the speed of light) and the energy quantum is changed to a quantum of potential expansion energy. The surrounding energy density is not sufficient to contain the quantum of energy in the high density spot and the potential expansion energy is converted to expansion energy as the quantum bounce occurs. The spherically expanding quantum wave emerges from the high density spot and is expanding at the speed of light. It is this push crest of positive energy that completes the initial structure of the quantum wave that is responsible for gravity.

    As the quantum wave emerges from the high density spot expanding at the speed of light, the volume of the quantum space is now increasing as the quantum wave expands. The expansion is characterized as a co-moving coordinate system where the radius increases at the speed of light. The radius increases while the energy density within the quantum wave decreases at a rate proportional to the increasing volume.

    Once the wave emerges from the mass the spherical shape is reestablished by the process of energy density equalization and expansion. These processes serve to organize the emanation from mass into a net gravitational force. That force is a net negative energy and a relative low energy density emanation in the form of an expanding spherical wave of energy added to the aether. The aether serves to net out the prevailing energy density at every point in space. Mass moves toward the path of lowest energy density in the surrounding aether.


    To summarize the nature of the quantum space: while within mass the quantum space has formed, collapsed, bounced, and expanded. Aside from the effect of containment that occurs as the wave travels through the mass, the quantum space contains a quantum of energy. As the wave emerges from mass as an energy emanation it becomes part of the aether. The space of the positive energy wave emanated from mass is now expanding through the aether. In the aether the radius of the expanding spherical quantum wave increases at the speed of light which translates into gravity traveling at the speed of light. The space occupied by the positive energy of the quantum wave increases until that wave reaches another mass. It flows into that mass and performs its role of signaling to the receiving mass what the energy density in the direction from which the emanation arrived. The mass has information from all directions and moves in the direction of the strongest gravitational energy (highest negative energy and lowest energy density).

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    There is a concept in QWC called “expansion suppression”.

    As previously mentioned, when an overlap of expanding quantum waves accumulates a quantum of energy itself,
    Figure 1
    then quantum collapse occurs.
    Figure 2

    In QWC that is simply nature. At the quantum level of order, a quantum of energy in its own energy environment always collapses into a high density spot as depicted above. The overlap is depicted by the gold colored segment in the first figure and the high density spot is depicted by the tiny red spot labeled "3" in the center of the second figure.

    “Expansion suppression” occurs when quantum collapse occurs. The expansion of the tiny energy environments surrounding the collapsing quantum is interrupted by the collapse. The expansion energy that has been exerting itself from the instant of the burst of the high density spots is diverted. Before the interruption, the expansion energy was causing the radius of the adjacent spherical quantum waves to increase at the speed of light. When a quantum of energy collapses adjacent to expanding quanta, the expansion energy of the affected quanta is used to fill the potential void caused by the nearby quantum collapse instead of for radii expansion.

    That is why the un-collapsing portion of the two adjacent overlapping spheres change shape to fill the potential void caused by the collapse instead of expanding outward as they were before the quantum collapse.

    This interruption and diversion of expansion energy is momentary but it is directly associated with the time delay that shapes the emanating quantum wave structure. It is that wave structure that determines the strength of the gravity emanated by the mass.
    Figure 3

    Figure 3 shows the resumption of expansion. Note how 1 & 2 are expanding as the high density spot bounces (3) into expansion.
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    Quantifying the overlap in QWC

    Quantifying the overlap in QWC

    Figure 4 (Figures 1,2 & 3 are in the previous post)


    QWC equation (1) for two sphere overlap:


    QWC equation (1) for two sphere overlap in text form:
    [text]\frac{V_{cap1}}{V_1}+\frac{V_{cap2}}{V_2}+\frac{V_ {cap1}}{V_2}+\frac{V_{cap2}}{V_1}=\frac{1/3\pi H^2(3R-H)}{4/3\pi R^3}+\frac{1/3\pi h^2(3r-h)}{4/3\pi r^3}+\frac{1/3\pi H ^2(3R-H)}{4/3\pi r^3}+\frac{1/3\pi h^2(3r-h)}{4/3\pi R^3}[/text]

    When two expanding quantum waves are in an overlap condition, the equation yields “e/q”, the percentage of a QWC quantum of energy accumulated in the overlap.

    Each sphere contains a quantum of energy, and “d” is the distance between the high density spots of the two identical spheres.

    “R” and “r” are the radii of the two quantum waves that emerge from the HD spots after their respective quantum bounces. R and r increase at the speed of light until R and r overlap and until e/q =1.

    In our example R and r are equal. When identical quantum waves overlap the relationship between “d” and the radius of the spheres at the point that e/q = 1 is invariant at 0.69459271066772139540…

    This relationship changes as the difference between the radii increases from zero. Any difference in the radii would be caused by a difference in the length of time between the bounce of the individual HD spots that produced the waves.

    Therefore in a universe containing two quanta, the data from figure 4 (R, r, and d only since H, h, X and x can be calculated) and the equation can predict the time of the collapse, yield the age of the universe (R/c (where c is the speed of light), the distance across the universe (R+r+d), the distance and time delay between the two HD spots (d) and ((R-r)/c) respectively, the length of time from the bounce of either quanta until the overlap equals one quanta (R/c or r/c @ (e/q=1), and the average energy density of each quanta at any point in time up to and including the point of quantum collapse of the overlap (q/(4/3 pi r^3) or where q is a QWC energy quantum.

    However, this fictional universe has its limitations. If it had begun with the “burst” of a single quantum out of nowhere, there would never be an overlap and the single quantum would expand forever. Since this fictional universe has two quanta (origin undefined), it is destined to perform one quantum bounce before it expands forever. Unless of course the space it is expanding in contains aether but that would be a different universe from our fictional two quanta universe.

    However, QWC predicts multiple quanta . In fact, QWC predicts that space itself is potentially infinite and that there are an infinite number of quanta that had no beginning. In the QWC universe, mass and gravity have always existed and therefore there has always been aether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quantum_wave View Post
    However, QWC predicts multiple quanta . In fact, QWC predicts that space itself is potentially infinite and that there are an infinite number of quanta that had no beginning. In the QWC universe, mass and gravity have always existed and therefore there has always been an aether.
    Hello, I didn't read the whole theory, but I skipped to the conclusion and I agree fully.

    To me this proves that time is an excellent tool for measuring energy. Time began the day matter formed intoyou... time also began the day I was born. There is only one beginning of time, and thats the one by which perspective is created.

    The day you were born the Universe was created. Before that, there was nothing.

    I believe this because every night I sleep and travel through time at a high speed, the sun goes down and suddenly it comes up as I open my eyes in the morning....

    What do you think of this theory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diode-Man View Post
    ....

    What do you think of this theory?
    I seems right in a way. You have a DMT thread that I think is related to your theory. I'm going to read it and post there with any questions.

    Feel free to ask me about QWC on this thread.

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    Cylindrical valley and aether intrusion in a two-quantum universe

    Cylindrical valley and aether intrusion in a two-quantum universe

    Just a quick note about our two-quantum fictional universe before I zoom out to a four-quantum universe; it can avoid eternal expansion if we add aether. If you look at figure 3 (above) you see that when quantum collapse occurred, the un-collapsed portion of quanta 1 & 2 changed shape. They were drawn into the void left by the collapse. At that point, if there was aether, it would be drawn into the entire periphery of the two-quantum mass and would occupy the cylindrical valley formed between quanta 1 & 2.

    This effect is called aether intrusion and it occurs simultaneously with expansion suppression. In other words, not only is the expansion of the un-collapsed portions of quantum 1 & 2 suppressed to fill the void left by the collapse, but the aether is drawn in behind the reshaped quanta. The aether has an unlimited amount of energy to offer. Not only does it intrude during quantum collapse, but during normal expansion between collapses its tiny energy density fluctuations are overlapping with the expanding quantum waves of the mass.

    Figure 5

    The aether is continually providing energy to the mass through intrusion during quantum collapse and during expansion by overlapping with quanta expanding within the mass. When it is all added up, the amount of aether absorbed by mass is exactly the amount of energy emanated from the mass in the form of gravity.
    Thus, in a universe with two quanta whose focus points are separated by distance “d” within the aether, there is a two-quantum mass formed when they overlap. The two-quantum mass will be perpetuated by the process of quantum action, expansion suppression, aether intrusion and aether overlap.

    Equation 1 can be applied throughout the process of mass refreshing and gravity emanation to track the energy from the two original quanta and from the aether because the energy density of each overlap can be calculated if you have R and r (the radii).
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    Aether, mass and gravity in QWC

    I have spoken about the aether in my “Mass *has*gravity” thread in the pseudoscience forum, the first Quantum Wave Cosmology (QWC) thread on the forum. I made a case for moving QWC out of pseudoscience on the basis that is was protoscience and the rules of the Pseudoscience Forum address that possibility. I took up my discussion of QWC in the Cosmology Forum in the “QWC’s Niche” thread, and have mentioned the aether in passing there as well. In the mainstream there is a reference to a “luminiferous aether” that was not found by careful experiments. Luminiferous aether is referred to as superseded scientific theory since it was not discovered as predicted. That is not the same aether that QWC describes as being “connected” with mass and gravity.

    In any discussion of the aether in QWC, its connection to mass and gravity must be also be part of that discussion. All three are intimately connected to enable mass to exist, enable gravity, and to determine the path that mass takes as it moves. Those connections are discussed in the following paragraphs.

    In QWC the aether emanates from mass in the form of spherically expanding waves of energy. These waves originate within mass as the result of the force of quantum action. Quantum action is the force that represents the presence of a quantum of energy within mass. Quantum action is characterized by the collapse of a quantum of energy into a high density spot with location and momentum, and the burst of that spot into a spherically expanding quantum wave. The collapse of the quantum of energy is triggered by the presence of a quantum of energy within the intersection where quantum waves overlap. The convergence of energy that produces a quantum of energy within the small space required for quantum action to occur is the trigger for quantum action. The volume of the triggering space depends on the energy density of the immediate environment. The volume of space occupied by the high density spot is invariant and always equal to the smallest meaningful space and an invariant energy density that is required to produce quantum action. A quantum of energy is the smallest meaningful increment of energy. Mass is made up of energy in quantum increments and there is a repetitive sequence of quantum action within mass for every quanta that makes up the mass. The period of repetition is the shortest meaningful increment of time. When quantum action causes energy to emanate from mass that energy is added to the aether. The energy thus added to the aether is the same amount of energy that is absorbed from the aether by mass to replace the energy within the mass so that the equivalence between mass and energy is maintained on a quantum for quantum basis. The aether is therefore connected to mass and gravity. The term, “dragged” by mass is correct in QWC but the meaning of “dragged” differs from the meaning used in the various experiments that tested for luminiferous aether “dragging” and found none.

    The aether is required in QWC to maintain the equivalence between mass and energy, and because the cause of mass and gravity depends on it. The aether, like the universe, has always existed, but it is ever changing. The aether is continually refreshed by the existence of mass since the source of the aether is quantum action. Likewise the aether is the source of energy required to replace the energy of gravity that emanates from mass as a result of that same quantum action. The aether transmits gravity. The spherically expanding quantum waves that emanate from mass are what give gravity its infinite reach.

    You can quickly see the dual nature of the aether connection to mass and gravity in that 1) it emanates from mass and is absorbed back into mass to continually refresh the presence of the exact number of quanta that make up the mass, and 2) it transmits gravity across the distance between bodies of mass.

    The aether is connected to mass by an out flow of “push” energy that emanates from all mass and that has an infinite reach across space by way of the spherically expanding quantum waves that are produced by quantum action within mass. The aether is also connected to mass by a flow of “pull” energy into mass as the collapse of energy quanta occurs during formation of the high density spots within mass. For any given mass the push and pull are equivalent for each quantum time increment.

    The aether is connected to gravity since at any point in space the aether has energy density that is the product of all pushes and pulls of gravity from all mass in the universe. Therefore the path that mass takes through the aether is determined by the path of lowest energy density surrounding the mass.

    The energy of mass remains equivalent to the energy of the quantum increments that make up the mass but that energy is maintained because the gravitational energy that is emanated by mass is completely replaced by the gravitational energy from other mass that is absorbed to replace the emanated gravitational energy. Quantum action pulls energy into mass as high density spots form and the burst of those high density spots pushes energy out of mass. It is a balanced, continuous process of quantum action in mass that occurs repetitively for every quantum increment that makes up the mass. The amount absorbed by a given mass always equals the energy value of the energy emanating from mass in the form of gravity.

    QWC presents a physical picture that enables you to envision the dynamics of the aether, what causes mass and gravity, and how the path of mass through space is determined. Since it is still only protoscience there is no quantification.

    We don’t know the amount of energy in a quantum.
    We don’t know the amount of space required to trigger the collapse of a quantum of energy into a high density spot.
    We don’t know the energy density range required of the environment to maintain the process of quantum action within mass.
    We don’t know the maximum energy density achieved within a high density spot before it bursts.
    We don’t know the volume of space occupied by a high density spot at its peak energy density.
    We don’t know the average period of time between quantum action events that occur repetitively to maintain mass.
    We don’t know for sure that the radius of the spherically expanding quantum wave increases at the speed of light as expected.
    We don’t know if the process of quantum action at the quantum scale really equates to the process of the formation and burst of big crunches on the arena scale of the greater universe but I find that aspect of QWC interesting. Visualizing quantum action that takes place within mass, and visualizing the formation and burst of big crunches at the arena level as differing only on scale gives us two perspectives from which we can draw on to describe the natural force of quantum action.


    Notwithstanding what we don’t know about QWC, it provides ideas that are subject to possible quantification as the technology of scientific measurement advances. Those advances are required in order for science to fulfill its quest for a unifying theory, and QWC is anticipating those advancements.
    look deeper into the details for the fundamental structure is trying to communicate with you. Think of this analogy if you or standing in a doorway facing south let us give it the label A, now you must find the door labeled z, you need only turn around 180 degrees to use the smallest amount of energy
    for that is where you will find the missing mass. You hold much potential your views or too accurate for the diluted mind so they would not be much help. Do not allow yourself to be drowned in ignorance and pessimism for they do not have a clue and harbor great feelings of insecurity and fear of the very existence with they are. All will be revealed as time unfolds soon all will know the language of the Absolute.

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    You might be right. Something makes me keep chasing these ideas. Most people leave me alone after awhile so I just dump it out into a thread and let the chips fall where they will . Thanks for the thoughts.

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    Views on the ''Orion project'' may stimulate you be sure to take part.

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    Interesting project. Some of the research links look interesting too. Thanks.

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    A four-quantum universe



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    A four-quantum universe with aether



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    Looking at the path of a four-quantum universe through the aether

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    Edit: Figures in Post #16 should be labeled Figure 6a, 6b, and 6c. Figures in posts #17 should be labeled 7a, 7b, and 7c, and the composite figure in post #18 should be labeled Figure 7.

    Space and energy density in Quantum Wave Cosmology (QWC)

    Space: In my simplistic view space is where things happen. Its basic characteristic is that it could be empty. But space isn’t ever empty because energy fills all space.

    In QWC, a discussion of space then leads to a discussion of energy. The explanation for how energy can fill all space, leaving no voids, is that energy has a basic characteristic called energy density. Every point in space has energy density. The energy density is always fluctuating and so if you focus on a point in space its energy density will always be changing.

    A discussion of energy density leads to a discussion of the cause of energy density fluctuations. The explanation for energy density fluctuations is energy quantization. The average energy density of the universe is high enough to force energy quantization, i.e. energy quantizes into quantum increments. Quantization occurs because there is a threshold above which energy density cannot become fully equalized without forcing tiny patches of energy to collapse into high density spots. The average energy density of the universe provides for a stable ratio of high density spots (energy quanta) to overall energy. The existence of energy quanta allows the energy occupying the rest of space to fluctuate in the direction of overall equalization of its energy density.

    However, equalization of all space surrounding the high density spots is not feasible because the spots are only temporary. They reach such high density that the surrounding density cannot sustain them and they burst or “bounce” into spherical expansion back into the surrounding energy density. This burst causes a quantum wave that spreads into the surrounding space and jostles the surrounding energy density causing perpetual energy density fluctuations at every point in space.

    Figure 8


    The forming and bursting of high density spots causes the energy density fluctuations that make up the aether. After the spots form and burst the average energy density causes new spots to form. Across the universe there is an average density of high density spots at any given time and there are always spots bursting and new spots forming. The process maintains a stable ratio between high density spots and total energy in any large arena of space. Energy is quantized and the quanta are always forming and bursting in an endless process.

    In QWC matter forms from energy in quantum increments.
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    OK, pay attention class ...
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