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  1. #201
    uniquely dreadful S.A.M.'s Avatar
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    There was a paper in JSTOR, I'll try to dig up the reference. Apparently, the idol worshippers in Mecca may have been Christians with icons, not polythiests. That sounds more likely considering Arab trade in the region was at its peak before the Persians took their trade routes.

    I hope they start doing archaeological expeditions soon, I'm sure there's lots of exciting stuff in the sands

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    In the U.S an adult cannot legally be involved with a child. I thing the youngsters marry eachother.
    True. If they have sex before being married either of them who is having sex with a minor (which could be both of them is they are both young) could get statutory rape or other minor corruption charges. However, once they are married they are both defacto adults able to have sex and enter into contracts, etc.

    Some states have youth sex laws, like in Texas if you are within 2 years of each other's age and both over 16 you can legally have sex. But once the marriage papers are signed there is no upper age requirements. If you are gal and 12 and have your parent's consent you can marry any guy 14 - 17 with parent's consent or 18 - 114 if he says yes. Once you are married you can bionk like a porn star and no one can say boo about it legally. Well unless you take pictures of your self naked in which case you could be arrested for child pornography. (yes a minor was recently arrested for taking pictures of herself naked.)

    I realize a lot of you are having your personal sensibilities challenged, but these are the laws of the land in the US. You have to remember in the puritan mindset ANYTHING that gets people married is better than sex out of wedlock and "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed" is how these laws got made.

  3. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by S.A.M. View Post
    There was a paper in JSTOR, I'll try to dig up the reference. Apparently, the idol worshippers in Mecca may have been Christians with icons, not polythiests. That sounds more likely considering Arab trade in the region was at its peak before the Persians took their trade routes.

    I hope they start doing archaeological expeditions soon, I'm sure there's lots of exciting stuff in the sands
    It sounds reasonable, but there's also evidence that Mecca, similar to cities in the Bible, didn't exist at the time they were suppose to.

    So, yes, I hope they start the archeology as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by swarm View Post
    True. If they have sex before being married either of them who is having sex with a minor (which could be both of them is they are both young) could get statutory rape or other minor corruption charges. However, once they are married they are both defacto adults able to have sex and enter into contracts, etc.
    Not any more, even with marrage, sex with a minor is a Felony.

    Quote Originally Posted by swarm View Post
    Some states have youth sex laws, like in Texas if you are within 2 years of each other's age and both over 16 you can legally have sex. But once the marriage papers are signed there is no upper age requirements. If you are gal and 12 and have your parent's consent you can marry any guy 14 - 17 with parent's consent or 18 - 114 if he says yes. Once you are married you can bionk like a porn star and no one can say boo about it legally. Well unless you take pictures of your self naked in which case you could be arrested for child pornography. (yes a minor was recently arrested for taking pictures of herself naked.)
    Sorry, but your are wrong, and your idea is a fantacy.

    Quote Originally Posted by swarm View Post
    I realize a lot of you are having your personal sensibilities challenged, but these are the laws of the land in the US. You have to remember in the puritan mindset ANYTHING that gets people married is better than sex out of wedlock and "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed" is how these laws got made.
    No the laws have changed in the last decades, sex with minors is Illegall as hell, and 15 will get you 20.

    It doesn't matter if you are married, if you are 18 and over, and they are 16, and you get caught, just sign up for the sex offenders regestration, you will go to jail.

    Age of Sexual Consent in USA
    Ala. 16 f/m (female/male) intercourse, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Alaska 16 f/m, f/f, m/m intercourse
    Ariz. 18 f/m intercourse, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Ark. 16 f/m intercourse, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Calif. 18 f/m, f/f, m/m intercourse
    Colo. 17 f/m, f/f, m/m intercourse
    Conn. 16 f/m, f/f, m/m intercourse
    D.C. 16 f/m intercourse, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Del. 16 f/18 m intercourse, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Fla. 18 f/m intercourse, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Ga. 16 f/m, f/f, m/m intercourse
    Hawaii 16 f/m intercourse, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Idaho 16 f/18 male intercourse, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Ill. 17 f/m, f/f, m/m intercourse
    Ind. 16 f/m, f/f/, m/m intercourse
    Iowa 16 f/m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Kan. 16 f/m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Ky. 16 f/m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    La. 17 f/m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Maine 16 f/m, f/f, m/m intercourse
    Md. 16 f/m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Mass. 16 f/18 m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Mich. 16 f/m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Minn. 16 f/m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Miss. 16 f/m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Mo. 17 f/m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Mont. 16 f/18 m, 18 f/f, 18 m/m intercourse
    Neb. 17 f/m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Nev. 16 f/m, 18 f/f, 18 m/m intercourse
    N.H. 16 f/m, 18 f/f, 18 m/m intercourse
    N.J. 16 f/m, f/f, m/m intercourse
    N.M. 17 f/m, 16 f/f, 16 m/m intercourse
    N.Y. 17 f/m, f/f, m/m intercourse
    N.C. 16 f/m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    N.D. 18 f/m, f/f, m/m intercourse
    Ohio 16 f/m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Okla. 16 f/m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Ore. 18 f/m, f/f, m/m intercourse
    Pa. 16 f/m, f/f, m/m intercourse
    R.I. 16 f/m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    S.C. 14 f/16 m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    S.D. 16 f/m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Tenn. 18 f/m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Tex. 17 f/m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Utah 16 f/18 m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Vt. 16 f/m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Va. 18 f/m, no law on homosexual intercourse
    Wash. 16 f/m, f/f, m/m intercourse
    W. Va. 16 f/m, 18 f/f, 18 m/m intercourse
    Wis. 18 f/m, f/f, m/m intercourse
    Wyo. 16 f/18m, no law on homosexual intercourse
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    Going back to the OP. She had her period before they had sex. RIGHT?

    Mohammad was not acting in any way that was any different than any of the other Arabs. He was a religious leader with that came power and status and thus he had the largest Harem - something uncivilized nomads respect very much. "He da man" "He got da bitches"

    Lots of mammals do this, big cats, monkeys, people.... I think the closer you are to living hand to mouth the more this sort of behavior is not only tolerated but EXPECTED from the other animals. It's really only after long term civilization that people begin to act differently.

    Old enough to bleed = Old enough to breed.

    So, think about that, because that's the way it is in the animal kingdom and that's the way it was back in the day.
    Last edited by Michael; 10-16-08 at 11:51 PM.

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    Registered Senior Member swarm's Avatar
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    She had her period before they had sex. RIGHT?
    Not recorded to my knowledge, but I'm hardly an expert on the matter. Why do you think that matters in this particular case?

    He was a religious leader with that came power and status
    Actually at this point he was kind of a nobody. He married her before making it big as I recall. But again I don't claim expertise here. No doubt he could have had "the largest harem" after he came into power, but he didn't.

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    Registered Senior Member swarm's Avatar
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    Buffalo Roam
    Not any more, even with marrage, sex with a minor is a Felony.
    Care to back that up? I know of no state that prevents sex between a legally married couple no matter what their respective ages.

    Sorry, but your are wrong, and your idea is a fantacy.
    As for change the the law in Colorado changed in 2007: http://www.denverpost.com/ci_6847554

    If you are married, you can have sex with your spouse no matter the respective ages even if Buffalo Roam is offended. That is part of what being married means.

    If you aren't married there are other laws, that you site, which govern when you can start having sex, but those don't apply to married couples.

    There is no law in the US that attempts to restrict a married couple having sex. If they tried to make one the courts would throw it out in a heartbeat.

  8. #208
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    Where from you bring your ideas?
    You know nothing about Islam. May be of your lie priests!
    Islam & Prophet Muhammad, peace unto Him, are completely in contrast of your sayings. I wonder ! Do you have really COMMON SENS?
    One billion & half Muslim, are foolish, and you are the smart one, who worship "one" crucified Savior of 37 in history ??????????
    Pagans you are.
    Search on Google for other as Jesus or than this redeemer, eternal life, sharing, heirs if He will die... for free, in your religion the criminal is as pious, will get an eternal life????????????????

  9. #209
    Marwan Yafi
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    Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229:
    Narrated 'Aisha:
    I used to wash the traces of Janaba (the good stuff) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible).
    Dear smart man
    When you make love you let your dirt on your clothes ?
    Or you make love naked?
    Smart layer.
    There is no :Volume 1 , book 4 , number 229 or else, our references for Hadith are completely different. SMART ONE

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    For that kind of stain Biological washing powder is recommended,
    but that was back in the old days before it was invented.

  11. #211
    I wonder if Mohammed had children from any of his other wives who were the same age as his child wife. That would be weird.

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    Only in these crazy modern times.

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    Pretty sure puberty is still the same as it used to be.

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    What does puberty have to do with what you said.

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    You might be a Muslim if...

    you don't know what puberty has to do with it.

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    Please give a consistent and reasonable answer to post # 214 instead of sidetracking.
    Last edited by Big Chiller; 03-28-12 at 06:12 PM.

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    This thread is already 100% better than in all the pages prior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Chiller View Post
    @spidergoat


    What does puberty have to do with what you said.
    Marrying a pre-pubescent girl is, in just about every culture, the very definition of pedophile.

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    There was no mention of pre-pubescence or pedophilia in post #211 which I was referring to, thanks for sidetracking.

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    No, it was implied.

    Now it's been mentioned.

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