Hummus war between Lebanon and Israel

[ashura]

They are marketing it as Israeli "traditional" foods.

It's traditional in the sense that a lot of Israeli eat it and have been eating it for a while. There's nothing wrong with that. This is to be expected of a country that's not even a century old.

[ElectricFetus]

They are marketing it as Israeli "traditional" foods.

First, Show me! Second if so, so what? Can it not be "traditional" food for the whole of the middle east? If pizza became a common food for generations in the USA, can't the USA claim is their traditional food, can't Italy as well, can't they BOTH have pizza?

[S.A.M.]

First, Show me! Second if so, so what? Can it not be "traditional" food for the whole of the middle east? If pizza became a common food for generations in the USA, can't the USA claim is their traditional food, can't Italy as well, can't they BOTH have pizza?

Not while they are occupying their land, no. It is cultural genocide or theft. It would be like the Pilgrims claiming native American food was their traditional food.

Cultural genocide is a term used to describe the deliberate destruction of the cultural heritage of a people or nation for political, military, religious, ideological, ethnical, or racial reasons.

[ElectricFetus]

Now you're being duplicitious, its a foreign affairs page on Israeli cuisine

Remember how I defined "national food":

Something that originated from nation x.

Exactly.

Your agree to it, now you have to prove israel claims its their "national food" by that definition!

They are marketing it as Israeli "authentic" foods. Would you expect to see burgers and fries on the Indian Foreign Affairs page?

If Indians commonly eat it, sure! Maybe you should check for the "authentic"/"tradition" food of other nations you might find a lot of overlap because, because an "authentic" food from one country does not mean it can't be "authentic" in another.

Not while they are occupying their land, no. It is cultural genocide or theft. It would be like the Pilgrims claiming native American food was their traditional food.

I don't see how israeli eating and making hummus is destroying lebanon's or anyone else's culture of eating hummus. And corn and turkey certainly were not "traditional" foods of Pilgrims but they are of Americans now, and that does not mean natives can't speak of how they made corn, and beans and squash or hunted turkey.

[S.A.M.]

If they were not occupying them, it would be a different matter, but in this case, it is usurping their identity by re-identifying their traditions as Israeli. When the Israelis know very well, it is Arab or Lebanese tradition. Especially when most idiots in the west can't be bothered to educate themselves on what Arab culture is and have started identifying these foods as Israeli.

[White Rhyno]

I can see a war over Hamas, but not hummus.

[ElectricFetus]

If they were not occupying them, it would be a different matter, but in this case, it is usurping their identity by re-identifying their traditions as Israeli. When the Israelis know very well, it is Arab or Lebanese tradition.

You don't get it, traditions are not individual, more than one peoples can have the same tradition. By Israeli eating and making hummus does not change the fact that lebonon makes and eats hummus, or that hummus originated from somewhere in the middle east.

[S.A.M.]

You don't get it, traditions are not individual, more than one peoples can have the same tradition. By Israeli eating and making hummus does not change the fact that lebonon makes and eats hummus, or that hummus originated from somewhere in the middle east.

It does if people everywhere start considering it as Israeli foods. That is how they got the land too.

[spidergoat]

How do you know Jews didn't invent it?

[S.A.M.]

Because it predates Jews in Egypt.

Besides, they did not invent anything else in the last 2000 years.

[spidergoat]

Jews didn't come from Egypt.

[ElectricFetus]

It does if people everywhere start considering it as Israeli foods. That is how they got the land too.

You can't GET food dishes! French Fries aren't French no matter if people believe they are, Hamburgers aren't American no matter how much people believe it is. Germany (and belguims) have not claimed copyrights on the names so Hamburgers and Fries are everyones!

[S.A.M.]

You can't GET food dishes! French Fries aren't French now matter if people believe they are, Hamburgers aren't American no matter how much people believe it is. Germany (and belguims) have not claimed copyrights on the names so Hamburgers and Fries are everyones!

None of them are under occupation, so its irrelevant. However, even the French have a monopoly on Champagne.

Jews didn't come from Egypt.

No, but they were there before they were in Canaan.

[spidergoat]

No they weren't, that's a myth.

[S.A.M.]

No they weren't, that's a myth.

I agree. I think the present Jews have come mostly from Europe, Russia and the US. But they were in Egypt [thats a fact] and hummus predates their time there.

[ElectricFetus]

None of them are under occupation, so its irrelevant. However, even the French have a monopoly on Champagne.

Being under occupation does not give your rights other don't have. France can claim champagne because its origin can be determined to be Champagne, France and that flavors of spirits are specific to how, where and when they were made. Just like Tequila only comes from mexico. Other countries make hummus and have for long before the word was recorded, and its not a product which can be flavored to a specific region and time like wine and spirits can.

[Michael]

Fine, fine.

The Israelis give back hummus, and the Arabs can give back God.

Done.

Haaaa!!

[S.A.M.]

Being under occupation does not give your rights other don't have.

It does, because you don't have the freedom to protest. e.g. you can resist occupation and cultural genocide by your occupiers. Israelis are the fanatics who have moved into a land because they think they have some God given right to it. And are still moving daily there, making it more oppressive for the inhabitants who are forced into more and more congested reservations to make place for these crackpots. Even to the extent of putting the rightful inhabitants into reservations and denying them the right to resist their own oppression, you don't want to give these people any more rope to hang their victims with.

Medical delegation denied entry to Gaza

Physicians for Human Rights team forced to turn back after IDF refuses to let them cross into Strip citing security considerations. 'We have no intention of violating Yom Kippur, we only want to care for the sick,' says delegation's leader

Meital Yasur-Beit Or
Published: 10.08.08, 15:33 / Israel News

A Physicians for Human Rights delegation, made up of Israeli Arab doctors who were planning to enter the Gaza Strip on Wednesday, was denied entry due to security considerations.

The delegation, which included surgeons, orthopedists, an oncologist, a psychologist and a social worker, was scheduled to enter Gaza carrying advanced medical equipment, in order to care for Palestinians hospitalized in the southern Gaza Strip town of Khan Younis and Gaza's Shifa Hospital.

Imagine, prisoners in their own land because Israelis have themselves convinced that they have a right to do the above

[spidergoat]

I agree. I think the present Jews have come mostly from Europe, Russia and the US. But they were in Egypt [thats a fact] and hummus predates their time there.

They were all around, but they didn't come from there. How do you know Hummus wasn't invented by the Jews in Egypt?

[ElectricFetus]

I agree. I think the present Jews have come mostly from Europe, Russia and the US. But they were in Egypt [thats a fact] and hummus predates their time there.

Remember the genetic studies that found most jews and Palestinians have the same ancestor?

http://bric.postech.ac.kr/science/97...w/001030a.html
http://www.pnas.org/content/97/12/6769/F2.expansion

I trust scientific articles more than wikipedia!