We're special (so special)

**Scott Free** · 10-03-08, 06:15 AM

Some are more special than others.

**StrangerInAStrangeLa** · 10-03-08, 06:56 AM

If we find there are humans on other planets, I think many will be very disappointed that we're not the only 1s. Some will be even if we find nonhuman intelligent life.

**Enmos** · 10-03-08, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by StrangerInAStrangeLa

If we find there are humans on other planets, I think many will be very disappointed that we're not the only 1s. Some will be even if we find nonhuman intelligent life.

Humans on other planets ?? How ?

**Simon Anders** · 10-03-08, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Roman

You know "ability to mate with each other" refers to species that are geographically distant, but otherwise produce viable offspring? Many species of birds, for instance, are geographically isolated, but can otherwise (and sometimes do!) produce fertile offspring. The liger is another classic example.

It'd be like classifying me and a subsaharan as different species or subspecies, due to distance. Species is a nebulous concept in biology. Probably more than ever, given what we know about genetics.

I am not saying the system is perfect, merely that uniqueness is a part of the idea. Not like the others. And ligers do not disprove this, though they cut against the cannot offspring attribute.

**s0meguy** · 10-03-08, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by StrangerInAStrangeLa

If we find there are humans on other planets, I think many will be very disappointed that we're not the only 1s. Some will be even if we find nonhuman intelligent life.

thanks for the laugh.

**StrangerInAStrangeLa** · 10-04-08, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by s0meguy

thanks for the laugh.

You're the 1 who's funny if you assume it's impossible.
Tho whether it's possible has nothing to do with the point I made.

**Enmos** · 10-04-08, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by StrangerInAStrangeLa

You're the 1 who's funny if you assume it's impossible.

Can you please clarify that ? I'm confused..

**StrangerInAStrangeLa** · 10-04-08, 06:38 AM

It's seems clear to me. Maybe I need something of why you're confused.
Do you think it's impossible for humans to be on other planets or it's impossible for us to find good evidence of it or?
Wait. Also do you think intelligent life on other planets is impossible? If your answer to that is yes, there's no point to our discussion.
I didn't get this initially but it wasn't specified whether the laugh was due to humans on other planets or due to any intelligent life out there.

**Enmos** · 10-04-08, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by StrangerInAStrangeLa

It's seems clear to me. Maybe I need something of why you're confused.
Do you think it's impossible for humans to be on other planets or it's impossible for us to find good evidence of it or?
Wait. Also do you think intelligent life on other planets is impossible? If your answer to that is no, there's no point to our discussion.

How did these humans get there ?

And no, I don't think intelligent life elsewhere is impossible at all. In fact, I think it's VERY likely.

**StrangerInAStrangeLa** · 10-04-08, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by Enmos

And no, I don't think intelligent life elsewhere is impossible at all. In fact, I think it's VERY likely.

Whew! That's a relief.

Originally Posted by Enmos

How did these humans get there ?

Get there from where?

**Enmos** · 10-04-08, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by StrangerInAStrangeLa

Get there from where?

Huh ? From Earth of course. From where else ?

**StrangerInAStrangeLa** · 10-04-08, 06:48 AM

Why would 1 think humans on other planets would be from Earth?

**Enmos** · 10-04-08, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by StrangerInAStrangeLa

Why would 1 think humans on other planets would be from Earth?

How else could they be humans ?

**StrangerInAStrangeLa** · 10-04-08, 07:03 AM

1 - Humans could have come here or been brought here from elsewhere.
2 - It could be evolution tends to produce humans at some point. Possibly earlier than here on some planets & later on others.
3 - It could be evolution tends not to produce humans but it still happened more than once.
4 - Maybe someone(s) manipulated life here to produce humans & did it elsewhere.
5 - Maybe the seeds of life are naturally scattered & certain types produce humans & others do not.

**Enmos** · 10-04-08, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by StrangerInAStrangeLa

1 - Humans could have come here or been brought here from elsewhere.

A ridiculous claim. You better have some evidence.

Originally Posted by StrangerInAStrangeLa

2 - It could be evolution tends to produce humans at some point. Possibly earlier than here on some planets & later on others.

Wrong. Even if they look and act exactly like us, they still have a different evolutionary background. So they cannot by definition be humans. Humanoid, yes. Humans, no.

Originally Posted by StrangerInAStrangeLa

3 - It could be evolution tends not to produce humans but it still happened more than once.

See above.

Originally Posted by StrangerInAStrangeLa

4 - Maybe someone(s) manipulated life here to produce humans & did it elsewhere.

See my answer to your first statement.

Originally Posted by StrangerInAStrangeLa

5 - Maybe the seeds of life are naturally scattered & certain types produce humans & others do not.

Even more ridiculous than 1 and 4.
You must not know a whole lot about biology

**StrangerInAStrangeLa** · 10-04-08, 09:27 AM

Stranger ====== Could be & Maybe are ridiculous claims?
Enmos --- Even if they look and act exactly like us, they still have a different evolutionary background. So they cannot by definition be humans. Humanoid, yes. Humans, no.
Stranger ====== Nope.
Enmos --- You must not know a whole lot about biology
Stranger ====== Well, that clears things up. I am forever in your debt.

**Enmos** · 10-04-08, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by StrangerInAStrangeLa

Stranger ====== Could be & Maybe are ridiculous claims?
Enmos --- Even if they look and act exactly like us, they still have a different evolutionary background. So they cannot by definition be humans. Humanoid, yes. Humans, no.
Stranger ====== Nope.
Enmos --- You must not know a whole lot about biology
Stranger ====== Well, that clears things up. I am forever in your debt.

ok

May I ask what your definitions of "a human" and "a humanoid" are ?

**Simon Anders** · 10-04-08, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Enmos

A ridiculous claim. You better have some evidence.

Despite some biology knowledge I do not feel I can evaluate the claims and not much evidence is given in the article. But it should be noted that these are scientists who are part of the human genome project. IOW people with expertise who have been convinced for some reason. Does not mean they are right, but it does mean there must be a little meat on the bone.

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/hom.../08/01288.html

**s0meguy** · 10-04-08, 05:21 PM

"Our hypothesis is that a higher extraterrestrial life form was engaged in creating new life and planting it on various planets. Earth is just one of them. Perhaps, after programming, our creators grow us the same way we grow bacteria in Petri dishes. We can't know their motives - whether it was a scientific experiment, or a way of preparing new planets for colonization, or is it long time ongoing business of seedling life in the universe."

and they conclude this all from the fact that there is junk DNA? WTF?

**Simon Anders** · 10-04-08, 06:19 PM

Here's a less controversial link:
http://news-service.stanford.edu/new...robio-412.html

Again, scientists considering the possiblity that DNA might have come from other planets. If this is the case it seems possible that intelligent species related to us could have been or are living in other places in the universe.

If they were fairly hairless primates and had civilization, it would not be too off to call them human, if not homo sapian.

I realize I am speculating from the humble speculation of some of the scientists in the link, but, again, the door is not completely closed.