09-21-08, 02:56 AM #41
It was a period of political and religious upheaval and a period of discovery and trade with many distant lands (the Silk Road was open).
There were many people preaching their "truth" at that time.
I am sure more than a few of them had followings of different sizes.
I am also sure quite a few of them with different sized followings were not written about by Jospehus, Pliny or anyone else.
09-21-08, 03:19 AM #42
Josephus' reference is still very disputed and unclear.
Pliny and Tacitus were born after Jesus was gone.
09-21-08, 03:23 AM #43
09-21-08, 03:25 AM #44
09-21-08, 03:34 AM #45
09-21-08, 07:52 AM #46
In Paul's writing Jesus is definitely a kind of divine being. He makes hardly any mention of his life as a man, and never met Jesus while he lived.
You would like Tom Harpur's book 'Water into Wine'.
09-23-08, 09:44 AM #47
I am surprised, and very disappointed, that more of the Jesus deniers did not post in this.
09-23-08, 10:20 AM #48
10-12-08, 03:20 PM #49
10-12-08, 03:46 PM #50
I don't care if he existed or not. It doesn't matter to me - I'll get to that later.
I think that cults that powerful do not come from nothing. Historians AFTER his time talked as if he did in fact exist, while historians FROM his time, do not make mention.
That means at his time he was very important to his (relatively) small group of followers. These followers did far more to create "christianity" than Jesus did. John in particular is the primary reason for Christianity going to Europe and thus it being able to "make it".
I stick to my opinion I stated in feb on this:
Even in the "official" canon that finally got agreed upon some 300 years after Jesus supposedly walked on water, Jesus does not expand the Hebrew's God, YHWH's "love" to the rest of us until fairly late on in his life. Even then my take is, well religion is power and why not spread it- more powerful - perhaps he even had a little hint of genius in the back of his mind that re-spinning an ancient superstition, might take on pretty good with some of the weak minded Romans. This is if he existed.
It's not like it all suddenly popped up with "Jesus", we are talking all the way back to before the Hebrews ripped off the mythology of the Babylonians, Egyptians and they in fact ripped their stuff off from Akkadian-Sumerians and nile dwellers before.
Ever play that game where you whisper a story in someone's ear and they do the same to the person next to them and it goes around in a circle until the other person next to you blurts out the final version(which grows or shrinks in each telling). It always sounds ridiculous to the original teller.
I find it amazing people believe such garbage.
10-12-08, 04:04 PM #51
10-12-08, 04:22 PM #52
I was trying to explain this before in a thread ages ago, I agree with Raven. People look past the gospels and say "but thats just the bible", The bible is actualy documented events of a persons life.
Jesus in my opinion had decent philosophy nd was a good person, peple do not look at it from a philosophical point of view, they just see that it's about god and superstition nd debunk it without consideration. You will find people that believe in god or are open to the idea of god will consider jesus alot more, even if they are hindu or muslim they will approach it with open mind.
People cannot separate the name of jesus from his so called miracles, they cannot view him as a regular guy with good philosopy. It is either jesus existed as was said, or it's ll complete myth with no truth. They do not take into consideration chinese whisper effect with exagerations.
10-12-08, 05:30 PM #53
The History Channel did an interesting 2 hour peace on all the people who may have been Jesus. There's were quite a few....
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