Thread: 9/11 Conspiracy Thread (There can be only one!)

  1. #2441
    Quote Originally Posted by John99 View Post
    That thread is the WTC collapses thread. Is there something you want me to see on page 7 of that thread?


    and look @ post 696. i know you saw that but he was wrong about that. This is just so common and simple.
    I see nothing wrong with what Tony (who is a mechanical engineer, btw) wrote. I notice that even you didn't say that anything was wrong with his post 696. You did say that something was wrong with his post 697. Is this the post you meant?

    and yes i worked as a professional engineer in heavy construction and have personally witnessed steel just like the supports at WTC give way and collapse. i have worked in commercial incineration plants with temperatures way over what he stated - from burning trash. Finally i was trained in criminal law, police sciences and social science by some of the best teachers. All this was in the span of 10 years.
    Cool. Bet you've never seen a steel framed high rise allagedy collapse before or after 9/11 due to fires though, eh?

  2. #2442
    Quote Originally Posted by John99 View Post
    The reason i mention the construction part is because as i said i worked with turbines the size of a small house and we used steel beams to lift the tops off them to work on them. i know what steel does and how it reacts under extreme pressure.

    you want me to read conspiracy books? give me a break.
    Fine, don't read conspiracy books if you prefer not to. However, calling a book stupid before even reading a page's worth of it is, shall we say, somewhat premature.

  3. #2443
    Quote Originally Posted by scott3x View Post
    I see nothing wrong with what Tony (who is a mechanical engineer, btw) wrote. I notice that even you didn't say that anything was wrong with his post 696. You did say that something was wrong with his post 697. Is this the post you meant?

    Cool. Bet you've never seen a steel framed high rise allagedy collapse before or after 9/11 due to fires though, eh?
    LOL, this is getting to be like a comedy. 696 is my post....we should send you for a dole test. I hear that the hydroponic is pretty potent up there.

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    "On Friday morning, Governor Pataki and I boarded a military helicopter at New Yorks Port Authority heliport and flew through a thick fog to McGuire Airforce Base in New Jersey."

    " I spoke to one of the Air Force Colonels at the base. He detailed just how iontricate a maneuver the terrorist had pulled off-implementing four simultaneous missions. All of the missions required each particioant to be disciplined and display various specialised skills, and to have three of them work to devestating effect without communicating from plane to plan. Hesaid he wasn't sure he could have done as well."

    Page 353 & 354 "Leadership" Rudolph W Giulinani

    (Sentinels' Watch)

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    (Note by Sentinel 12-30 1337hrs: This is some funny Sh&t!!)


    Re: Former Auxiliary NY Fireman Is 'A One-Man Investigative Team' When It Comes To Finding The Truth About 9/11
    From: Why the Bush Factor is killing America....... <America...._at_7676767.amc.acf.am....nec>
    Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:06:35 GMT



    "whofan" <whofan_at_netscape.net> wrote in message news:fdadnQYbzupRQ0LfRVn-jg_at_rcn.net...
    > Why the Bush Factor is killing America....... wrote:
    >
    > > Former Auxiliary NY Fireman Is 'A One-Man Investigative Team' When It
    Comes
    > > To Finding The Truth About 9/11
    > >
    > > New Yorker Paul Isaac
    > >
    >
    > Something tells me that when Paul Isaac isn't "researching" this
    conspiracy
    > as well as the "fake moon landing" and the JFK conspiracy, he's
    > successfully hiding from the black helicopters that are constantly
    > hovering over his house.


    can you post anything to say he's wrong, other then expressing your stupidity based on not showing anything to refute the facts, that your governments are terrorists and criminals killing people!

    >
    > >
    > >
    > > Regarding the Bush administration, Isaac said: “It’s really worse than a
    > > dictatorship!”
    > >
    >
    > Ahhh, so he sounds like half of the loony leftist's that post to
    > usenet. After statements like his quote above, he's got about as
    > much credibility as those kooks that are convinced that Elvis is
    > still alive - however he was captured by space aliens.


    Your left, right crap is showing, you been smoking to much of that bush monkey shit, it's keeping you way too retarded, post something with facts then, but then I beleive your too stupid, to do even that!!!

    >
    > >
    > > And like a true researcher with an eye for detail, he added: “Why don’t
    you
    > > give Karl Rove a call and ask him what he thinks? His number is
    > > 202-456-5578. I’m sure he won’t mind if you give him a call!”
    > >
    >
    > Say, I don't suppose Paul Isaac goes by the name "Harry Hope" when
    > he posts on usenet? ;^)
    > >
    > > Editor’s Note: A story like Paul Isaac’s is especially inspirational at
    a
    > > time when the government and media are leading Americans down a one way
    > > street to hell with no way back.
    > >
    > Yep, he should get in touch with the National Enquirer. I'm sure they'd
    > find Paul Isaac to be "inspiring" ;^)
    >
    > >
    > > All signals point to another government orchestrated terrorist attack on
    > > American soil, this one larger and more deadly than 9/11.
    >
    > All signals point to leftist kooks blaming Bush for any and everything
    > that is negative in the world. It is expected behavior. And it is
    > precisely this reason that the left is no longer taken seriously
    > and is regularly ignored.
    >
    > >
    > >
    > > And at this late date, with America’s future spinning in the balance and
    so
    > > little time left, any person who has a story like Isaac’s, any person
    who
    > > has compiled research about 9/11 or any other information about the
    neo-con
    > > agenda, is asked to write patriott2424_at_aol.com so your story can be told
    > > before it’s too late.
    >
    > Don't forget the tinfoil hats when wandering outside!!! The black
    > helicopters are hovering just over the horizon :^)
    >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Perhaps, if more Paul Isaac’s come forward, we can uncover the one piece
    of
    > > information that may turn the tide back in the direction of democracy,
    > > freedom and peace. Remember, it’s up to you and nobody else.
    > >
    >
    > There's plenty of "Paul Isaac's" right here on usenet. In other words,
    > plenty of kooky leftists that want to blame Bush for everything no
    > matter what the subject matter. Well, there is *some* good news....folks
    > like Paul Isaac and the other loony libs give everyone else a
    > really good belly-laugh!!! ROTFLMMFAO :^)

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    (Note by Sentinel 12/30 1425hrs This article right here is Bullsh&t!!!!)


    257. Fireman Admits Again: 9-11 Inside Job
    by kathaksung, 12/13/05 20:37 ET
    Fireman Admits Again: 9-11 Inside Job by Victor Thorn
    On the morning of September 11, 2005, New York City auxiliary fire lieutenant Paul Isaac, Jr. admitted yet again that 9-11 was an inside job. In fact, here is his exact quote to Lisa Guliani and myself: "I know 9-11 was an inside job, the police know it's an inside job, and the firemen know it too."

    Last but not least, researcher Vincent Sammartino, who was also in attendance at the WTC 'open grave site' on the afternoon of September 11, 2005, wrote the following on APFN: "I just got back from Ground Zero. People know the truth! Half of the police and firemen were coming up to us and telling us that they know that 911 was an inside job. They were told not to talk about it. But they were supporting what we were doing!!!!! I had tears in my eyes."

    http://www.wingtv.net/thornarticles/paulisaac.html

    Edmonds

    http://www.smirkingchimp.com/viewtop...um=3&start=400

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    Note by Sentinel 12-30 1429hrs: Of course,
    when you catch cointel at work they always come out with some new Bullsh&t. Never fails. Both incidents can't correct. Yet, Watch the bottom regarding wingtv.



    Wednesday, May 10, 2006
    My New Hero--Paul Isaac, Jr.

    An auxiliary fireman in New York City, he gets into Avery and company's faces in Loose Change Extra Footage.

    The Loose Change producers went to Ground Zero on September 11, 2005, to "pay their respects". Of course, what they really wanted to do was stir up trouble, and Paul Isaac, Jr., recognized that immediately.

    The video begins with the producers entering the subway. We see them taping up flyers for Loose Change.



    They then hop a train and take it towards the WTC. At each stop they hop off and quickly tape up another flyer or two, then dash back onto the subway. No kidding, we see this eight times. Maybe that explains why Dylan Avery was turned down for Purchase College's film program?

    Paul Isaac gets his starring role from about 6:48 to about 12:00.

    He points out that the Loose Change guys are just asking for trouble. "Who feels that this behavior is inappropriate for a public memorial, for 3000 people, who were killed?"

    Note as well, that one of Avery's buddies is caught in an outright lie at about 8:52, claiming "I'm not with these people." This claim is undercut by the fact that he's been with Avery since they entered the subway. Here's a picture of their argument (9:53):



    The liar (who bears a remarkable resemblance to Jason Bermas) is at the left, Avery is next to him. Not sure who the young woman is. Isaac is at the right in uniform. We get another lie from the liar at 10:11, when he claims, "I don't know one person here. Not one person." Of course at 11:54 the liar's telling people that the movie is free, and to please come.

    Mr Isaac, we salute you!

    Update: Check out this nutty post supposedly on Isaac.

    On Monday, October 24, 2005 at 9:23 PM EST, Victor and I received a call on our home phone. The caller was male, did not identify himself, and proceeded to say the following:

    “This message is for Victor Thorn and Lisa Guliani. We met at Ground Zero on 9-11 and you ran a story on it the next day on your website. Well, we have a videotape that will bury your story, so I think you’d better retract that article very quickly or you will face a libel suit. The videotape we have refutes the version of what is portrayed on your website. God bless you both...see you next year at Ground Zero.”

    The caller then hung up the phone. After our movie was over, we checked the answering machine and listened to the call. The man’s tone of voice was very sarcastic and menacing.

    Yeah, especially that part about God bless you both, right?

  8. #2448
    An auxiliary fireman?

    Come on, waste some more bandwidth.

  9. #2449
    Quote Originally Posted by John99 View Post
    An auxiliary fireman?

    Come on, waste some more bandwidth.
    John, why do you have to be so rude? Perhaps life treated you rough...

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    In Honour of Father Mychal Judge and the Angelini Family.
    We will never forget.


    "Another of Angelini's sons, Mike Angelini, an auxiliary firefighter, was standing alongside Fire Chaplain Mychal Judge, helping the injured who poured out of the twin towers. He escaped death, even as the beloved cleric was killed."


    How much heartbreak must family bear?
    By MICHELE McPHEE DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

    Wednesday, September 19th 2001, 2:23AM

    Anne Angelini got the grim news yesterday that the body of her husband - firefighter Joseph Angelini Sr. - was among those recovered from the rubble.

    But her search is not over. Her son, firefighter Joseph Angelini Jr., is still among the missing.

    "I knew they were both in there. There is no way my husband would have left that building without his son, without Joey," the grieving widow and mom said.

    "In some way, I'm glad they were together. There is no way they could bear the heartbreak of losing each other."

    Joseph Angelini Sr., 63, a 40-year veteran of the FDNY's Rescue 1 in Manhattan, had been assigned to light duty this month, which restricted him from fighting fires.

    But when he heard that his son's company, Ladder Co. 4, was in the World Trade Center, he left his post and plowed into the collapsing building.

    "I'm surprised they were not found together. Those two were inseparable," Angelini said. "Their families came first, but the Fire Department was their life. That was all they talked about.

    "I knew this was coming, but I still wasn't ready. My husband had us all convinced he was Superman. But I'm still hoping for a miracle with Joey."

    Another of Angelini's sons, Mike Angelini, an auxiliary firefighter, was standing alongside Fire Chaplain Mychal Judge, helping the injured who poured out of the twin towers. He escaped death, even as the beloved cleric was killed.

    Anne Angelini said her husband always dreaded retirement.

    340 still missing

    "The Fire Department was going to make him retire at 65, but he never wanted to quit," she said. "At least with this, he'll never have to face retirement."

    The Angelinis, who live in Lindenhurst, L.I., weren't the only family hit with the loss of more than one member. Among the 340 or so firefighters and cops still missing were fathers and sons, brothers, uncles and cousins.

    Retired Fire Chief Joseph Vigiano has spent the last eight days at Ground Zero, digging through the rubble and joining the bucket brigade, looking for any sign of two sons - Joseph, an NYPD Emergency Service Unit detective, and John, a firefighter assigned to Ladder Co. 132.

    Yesterday afternoon, Vigiano realized his prayers for a miracle have yet to be heard, but he was sadly relieved when rescue workers recovered the body of his firefighter son, John.

    "How can a man lose two sons?" Fire Commissioner Thomas Von Essen said of the families' struggles last week. "How could that happen?"

    Police Detective Maureen Regan, whose brother, firefighter Donald Regan, assigned to Rescue Co. 3, is on the list of missing, said the long search has not just left her own family reeling, but also her neighbors, close friends, and coworkers.

    "Everyone I know has been affected by this. Everyone. There are so many cop families, fire families," said Regan, who works in the NYPD's Intelligence Division. "The sad stories come one after another."

    Yesterday, two sisters-in-laws kept vigil by phone from their homes in Staten Island and upstate New York, waiting for news about firefighter brothers - Lt. Harvey Harrell from Rescue Squad 5 and Lt. Stephen Harrell - assigned to Battalion 7.

    Into the blaze

    The men, both FDNY veterans, were part of the specialized units that went into the towering inferno to pull people out, but have yet to emerge from the rubble themselves.

    "We want them back. We miss them." Rachel Harrell, Harvey's wife, said from the couple's Staten Island home yesterday.

    "But if anyone will get out of this, my husband will. His brother will. They were really fantastic firemen.

    "The whole family is destroyed over this. But we are not giving up hope."

    Stephen's wife, Megan, was being comforted by family members yesterday and could not be reached.

    Mary Ill is still keeping faint hope that her husband, Ladder Co. 2 Capt. Fred Ill - who received national acclaim in 1999 after he rescued a Bronx man whose legs were severed after he was shoved in front of a subway train - will be found alive.

    For now, she is taking solace that her son, Fred Ill 3rd, made it home.

    Joyous reunion

    She spent a long, terrifying night thinking her son, a probationary firefighter with Ladder Co. 58, was listed among the missing. He made it home from the blast just after 1 a.m. Wednesday, covered with soot, limping from fatigue but otherwise uninjured.

    Now she is hoping her husband will be the next one to walk through the door of their Pearl River home.

    "The waiting is terrible," she said yesterday from her home. "My son was on the list [of missing firefighters] for a while, our nephew was on the list. But, thank God, they made it home.

    "Now we're just waiting for word on my husband."

    On Long Island, a wake was held yesterday for FDNY Capt. Timothy Haskell from Squad 18. His brother, Battalion Chief Thomas Haskell Jr., has not been found.

    Timmy Haskell's body was recovered. Authorities told the family that Timmy was on the 60th floor of Tower One when it collapsed.

    "It helps to have closure on Timmy. In a way, it helps to know he died doing what he loved, and it was quick," said Dawn Haskell-Carbone, the Haskells' sister.

    "Meanwhile, we just continue to pray for Tommy. We still have very strong hopes for Tommy."

  11. #2451
    Quote Originally Posted by scott3x View Post
    John, why do you have to be so rude? Perhaps life treated you rough...
    i havent been rude in these threads for a long time. You are all over the internet so you have gotten similar treatment on plenty of other forums.

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    Lol...

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    "For months, we had in place an exercise in which we'd drill on our response to a bio/chem attack, specifically practicing for the distribution of medication. The planned date: Wednesday, september 12. We had stored much of the materials for THAT DRILL at pier 92."

    Page 355 "LEADERSHIP" Rudolph W Giuliani

    --- On Fri, 1/2/09, NYC Nemesis Nemisis <nyccrashcrew@ yahoo.com> wrote:

    From: NYC Nemesis Nemisis <nyccrashcrew@ yahoo.com>
    Subject: [v911t] Military Drills July 2001 (Building Impacts) ?
    To: v911t@yahoogroups. com
    Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 4:08 PM

    Career Army Specialist sues Rumsfeld, Cheney, saying no evacuation order given on 9/11 Stephen C. Webster
    Published: Wednesday December 17, 2008 On behalf of Spc. April Gallop, who served in the Network Infrastructure Services Agency as an administrative specialist, California attorney William Veale has filed a civil suit against former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Vice President Dick Cheney and former US Air Force General Richard Myers, who was acting chairman of the joint chiefs on 9/11.


    Paragraph 54. Similarly, defendant Rumsfeld — like the President himself, then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defendant Gen. Richard Myers and others — testified and said in public, repeatedly, that no one in the Government security apparatus ever imagined terrorists suicidally crashing planes into buildings. This claim was also absolutely false. In point of fact, the CIA, the NSA, the FAA and NORAD had planned and trained for just such a possibility. Indeed, the record shows training exercises involving such a potential attack had in fact been carried on at the Pentagon in October, 2000 and May, 2001, and that NORAD had begun planning in July, 2001, for a training exercise in which the premise would be that a hijacked airliner was crashed into the World Trade Center. The 9/11 Commission, however — with the same studied indifference it showed towards the Mineta testimony — failed even to mention these contradictions in its Report, let alone explain them away.


    Paul Isaac is an Auxiliary Fireman and first responder.
    He has spent an untold number of hours doing in-depth research compiling
    many areas of evidence challenging the official account of 9/11.


    The image below illustrates a parallel between the
    demolition of the Keyspan Maspeth Holding Tanks in Queens, NY on
    July 15th, just a few months before 9/11. Although explosives were
    outlawed, somehow with the Giuliani administration in power, this
    demolition was carried out even though the surrounding area was
    residential. You can still see the Queens Gazette article from 7/18/01

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    Ok, I'll make it simple for the simpletons.

    1st whats stronger ? A nuclear power plant wall or the pentagon reinforced concret with Blast proof windows?

    2 Answer # 01

    3rd You still haven't answered why Three planes missed out on hitting the nuclear power plant that would have made three mile island and love canal look like disney land?

    4th well, you're not ready for 4 so go answer why WTC 7 was built quicker than the WTC Memorial oh, thats right, theres still no memorial?

    5th How come I see no one mentioning how the government that you all work for hasn't adressed the issue of Post attack illnesses suffered by first responders? You seem to be so damn right wing in support of government profiteering that I swore I missed it when you said that you're in support of getting the first responders the help they needed, spookie.

    Please, If the plane (1) was able to go through the pentagon, (3) would have slaughterd the Nuclear power plant.

    Oh, for those that are trying to imply that I'm Anti-jew, Its because of the Holocaust that I'm doing this.

    So don't even try that route or you'll come up short....

    "REAL SHORT"

    Sometimes when the Enemys' stratigies change you have to adapt improve and overcome. Thats for the whether " I'm still paying or not" Question.

    "Running In Circles Standing Still"


    hAvE a rELlY NiCe dAy!!!!

    sEnTiNeL

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    The image below illustrates a parallel between the
    demolition of the Keyspan Maspeth Holding Tanks in Queens, NY on
    July 15th, just a few months before 9/11. Although explosives were
    outlawed, somehow with the Giuliani administration in power, this
    demolition was carried out even though the surrounding area was
    residential. You can still see the Queens Gazette article from 7/18/01
    The holding tank (actual intentional demolition) does not support any 911 conspiracy. There are not many similarities but then of course you can find a few.

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    The Auxiliary unit of the FDNY is actually a civil defense unit, not a New York City first responder unit, that started just before the US became involved in WWII. The concerns were that if the US went to war, many firefighters would leave the city underprotected, plus the city might be subject to bombing attacks. By December 7, 1941 (Pearl Harbor), there were 31,000 FDNY Auxiliary volunteers who drilled on Saturdays. The program was halted after the war but was restarted in 1951, when the threat of Soviet nuclear attack became a concern.

    The FDNY Auxiliary consists of part-time volunteers who have training to be able to help in case of major disasters. I don't know if the status of the Auxiliary has changed since 9/11. Google "FDNY auxiliary" and almost all you find is a couple of historical mentions and a bunch of stuff about Sentinel (Paul Isaac). The two firefighters I spoke to at my local firehouse didn't know there was an auxiliary program.

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    An auxiliary fireman would not be trained with a professional fireman. I say professional in a sense of a person who is financially compensated is considered a professional.

    However, the training varies quite a bit. In NYC i dont think they are required to enter burning buildings, as an example. But i am not 100% certain about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDNY Aux View Post
    "On Friday morning, Governor Pataki and I boarded a military helicopter at New Yorks Port Authority heliport and flew through a thick fog to McGuire Airforce Base in New Jersey."

    " I spoke to one of the Air Force Colonels at the base. He detailed just how iontricate a maneuver the terrorist had pulled off-implementing four simultaneous missions. All of the missions required each particioant to be disciplined and display various specialised skills, and to have three of them work to devestating effect without communicating from plane to plan. Hesaid he wasn't sure he could have done as well."

    Page 353 & 354 "Leadership" Rudolph W Giulinani

    (Sentinels' Watch)
    Why would they need to coordinate? single missions, launched at different times, to different targets, were is the need for coordination?

    Hit your target, on your own, even the WTC center wouldn't need any coordanation between aircraft, if you arrive number 2 you hit what is left.

    Nothing complicated, there was a 17 minute difference between impacts on the WTC Towers 1 & 2.

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    Sure does,

    "a parallel between the
    demolition of the Keyspan Maspeth Holding Tanks in Queens, NY on
    July 15th, just a few months before 9/11. Although explosives were
    outlawed, somehow with the Giuliani administration in power, this
    demolition was carried out even though the surrounding area was
    residential."

    " In point of fact, the CIA, the NSA, the FAA and NORAD had planned and trained for just such a possibility. Indeed, the record shows training exercises involving such a potential attack had in fact been carried on at the Pentagon in October, 2000 and May, 2001, and that NORAD had begun planning in July, 2001, for a training exercise in which the premise would be that a hijacked airliner was crashed into the World Trade Center."

    ***"Control Demolition Inc. (CDI), the nation's leading expert in explosive demolition, was contracted for the job and a date for the event was set for summer 2001."

    "Unfortunately there were many hurdles for a venture of this scope. ***The use of explosives had been banned from use in New York City for almost twenty years. Local civic organizations, anxious about detonations so close to their neighboring communities, quickly gained a court injunction to halt the demolition."

    "High-pressure natural gas lines supplying several adjoining communities and located dangerously close to the demolition site had to be sufficiently protected from damage and remain in operation during the implosion."

    "KeySpan has been seeking permits to demolish the tanks since early last year, but nearby residents only found out about the plans in May, when Ms. LaMatto stumbled upon a gathering of city cars, including one from the Fire Department's explosives unit, just outside the gates."

    "A command will be given. There will be a loud rumbling. Over the course of 10 seconds, the tanks will collapse on themselves, then topple."

    ""We see implosion as the safest choice," said Sevos, flanked by a bevy of city officials from the mayor's Office of Emergency Management, the Buildings Department and the Fire Department.

    The energy company already has obtained a permit from the Buildings Department to implode the two 300-foot steel tanks, KeySpan officials said. And a permit from the Fire Department is on its way, they said.

    "We have no problem with this," James Laurer, chief inspector of the Fire Department's explosives unit, told the crowd. "We're going to be issuing the permits shortly."

    "Following KeySpan's presentation, more than a dozen outraged community members took the energy giant to task over the plan.

    Activist Annette LaMatto slammed the company for failing to include the community in planning the controversial project.

    "After the plan is done, they tell us what they are going to do," she said, criticizing their decision to destroy a Brooklyn industrial landmark."


    Sentinel

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    On the road again
    Fri Oct 21, 2005

    Ok, I'm going to let the cat out of the bag.
    I'm leaving for NYC in a couple hours to interveiw none other than paul isaac jr.
    he want to clear the air about a couple things,on the record,and give us somne things off the record. But i'd like to speak ahead of time for him and say that this articvle right here?
    "I know 911 was an inside job, the police know its an inside job, and the firemen know it too" Yeah total bullshit !!!

    He never said anything of the sort. I've got three different videos of paul having it out with lisa and nothing close to that is ever said. Somebodys stretching the truth and I don't think its paul. Couple that with the complete lack of compliance on the part of chris petherick of AFP who refuses paul request to remove wingtvs article and every other website on the inter which is touting that article as gospel and you can say that pauls a little upset.

    RIGHTFULL SO. I just wanted to vent a little because wingtv hasn''t been on the movements goodside for some time now and this incident further throws their character into question.

    Dylan Avery

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