08-28-08, 02:33 PM #81
08-28-08, 02:56 PM #82
Where did you graduate, Mecca University? You're speaking of old-school economics, I am a speaking of modern-economics. What's taught in school isn't what happens in the real world, atleast not what happens in European and American economics. Which is basically nothing like it's intended to be.
08-28-08, 03:04 PM #83
Buffalo, you've got to stop believing the Con lies. Sudan was a terrorist nation itself. The offer to arrest Bin Laden was a sceme to deflect attention away from that fact. In any case, they were in no position to get Bin Laden, do you think that would have been easy?
Clinton tried to assassinate Bin Laden more than once, but our intelligence wasn't good enough. It still isn't, apparently. Has Bush treating this as something other than a law-enforcement matter helped any?
08-28-08, 03:26 PM #84
Clinton had a sealed indictment, so no he didn't have a reason to refuse taking Bin Laden, into custody.
1. At all relevant times from in or about 1989 untilthe date of the filing of this
Indictment, an international terrorist group existed which was dedicated to
opposing non-Islamic governments with force and violence. This organization
grew out of the "mekhtab al khidemat" (the "Services Office") organization
which had maintained (and continues to maintain) offices in various parts of
the world, including Afghanistan, Pakistan (particularly in Peshawar) and the
United States, particularly at the Alkifah Refugee Center in Brooklyn. From in
or about 1989 until the present, the group called itself "Al Qaeda" ("the Base").
A sealed indictment opened 4. Nov. 1998
[Original date unknown; unsealed 4 November 1998]
4 November 1998
Source: Hardcopy, US Attorney, SDNY, press conference. Thanks to MS/HH,(212) 637-2600.
See related indictment of today Usama Bin Laden and five others: http://jya.com/usa-v-laden+5.htm
See related press release: http://jya.com/usa110498.htm
See related files: http://jya.com/alqfiles.htm
[Original date unknown; unsealed 4 November 1998]
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
- v. -
USAMA BIN LADEN, INDICTMENT
a/k/a "Usamah Bin-Muhammad :
Bin-Ladin," 98 Cr.
a/k/a "Shaykh Usamah Bin-Ladin," :
a/k/a "Mujahid Shaykh,"
a/k/a "Abu Abdullah" :
a/k/a "Qa Qa,"
Conspiracy to Attack Defense Utilities of the United States
The Grand Jury charges:
Background: Al Qaeda
1. At all relevant times from in or about 1989 until
the date of the filing of this Indictment, an international
terrorist group existed which was dedicated to opposing non-Islamic
governments with force and violence. This organization grew out of
the "mekhtab al khidemat" (the "Services Office") organization
which had maintained (and continues to maintain) offices in various
parts of the world, including Afghanistan, Pakistan (particularly
in Peshawar) and the United States, particularly at the Alkifah
Refugee Center in Brooklyn. From in or about 1989 until the
present, the group called itself "Al Qaeda" ("the Base"). From
1989 until in or about 1991, the group was headquartered in
Afghanistan and Peshawar, Pakistan. In or about 1992, the
leadership of Al Qaeda, including its "emir" (or prince) USAMA BIN
LADEN, the defendant, and its military command relocated to the
Sudan. From in or about 1991 until the present, the group also
called itself the "Islamic Army." The international terrorist
group (hereafter referred to as "Al Qaeda") was headquartered in
the Sudan from approximately 1992 until approximately 1996 but
still maintained offices in various parts of the world. In 1996,
USAMA BIN LADEN and Al Qaeda relocated to Afghanistan. At all
relevant times, Al Qaeda was led by its "emir," USAMA BIN LADEN.
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08-28-08, 03:37 PM #85
08-28-08, 04:01 PM #86
No one had him in custody. It wasn't just a choice of getting him or not. Should we have dealt with the terrorists of Sudan just to get a terrorist?
08-28-08, 04:27 PM #87
Clinton him self said Osama was offered up to Him.
It was recorded, and in Bill own words, there was a sealed indictment, so Clinton had no excuse not to accept the offer, wether Osama was in custody or not.
I can just see you in full attack, if the name was Bush instead of Clinton.
08-28-08, 04:31 PM #88
All Counsel of Record Re: US v. Omar Ahmad Ali Abdel Rahman, et al. (S5) 93 Cr. 181 (MBM)
Ladies and Gentlemen:
Enclosed is a list of unindicted persons who may be alleged as co-conspirators. The list is not exhaustive and, as is always the case, the government's investigation is continuing........ If we discover missing names they will be added.
Very truly yours,
Mary Jo White, US Attorney
Signed by Andrew C. McCarthy, Assistant US Attorney
cc: Honorable Michael B. Mukasey, US District Judge
1 Ahmed Muhammad Aasran
2 Mohammed Yousef Abbas
3 Jamal Abdelgani
4 Mohammed Hassan Abdou
5 Emad Abdou
6 Amad Elden Abdou
7 Abdalhele A. Abwalannen
8 Dawud Adib
9 Hosni Ahmed
10 Mohssen Ahmed
11 Nasser Al Din Alamani
12 Majdi Alghamrawi
13 Hekmat Alhadashek
14 Abd Al Hafez Mustafa Ali
15 Atif Ahmed Ali
16 Hamdi Ali
17 Samy Ali
18 Sharif Ali
19 Mike Alkam
20 Bilal Alkasi
95 Osama Bin Ladin
08-28-08, 07:09 PM #89
You want a country, great have one. But why should I an American tax payer not only pay for my government but yours as well. Ten percent of your national Annual budget comes from the United States Treasury.
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08-28-08, 07:29 PM #90
08-28-08, 08:37 PM #91
Buffalo Roam go and reread the forum rules again. Posting a whole lot of quotes with no substance is against our policy
08-28-08, 08:46 PM #92
no, all you did (for the second time now) is quote something you had previously posted
If you wish to add to it thats fine, link to the post, post the KEY POINTS ONLY and add to it but DONT post the whole thing and leave it at that.
If they didnt want to read it the first time what makes you think they will when its on a grey background rather than a white one?
08-28-08, 08:51 PM #93
I insult you saying you go to MeccaU because of your foolish view that 10% of the countries income comes from taxes..it's blaint hatred of Judaism... America currently gives Israel 2.4 billion dollars a year...Israels GDP (nominally) 154.3 billion. Let's do the math, yeah...that's less than 2% easily. Why don't you complain about the AID in Africa that has yielded no results? Or the AID to Egypt, a country that would rather have you dead than alive. Or Saudi Arabia? It's all moot, since Israel gives potentially the most aid to foreign nations per capita. You would never know that because you get all of your facts from the internet and most likely in google searches. Google searches ARE NOT REALITY. Type "Israel + Foreign Aid" and you won't find a single story about Israels astounding foreign AID even to their 'enemies'. You won't hear about how they sneak accross borders illegally and bring millions of dollars worth of food to impoverished nations. No you would never hear about that, because you get your information from the internet. The internet is not the real world.
So this begs the question Mr. joepistole, why don't YOU start living in the real world?
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08-28-08, 08:51 PM #94
08-28-08, 08:53 PM #95
a debate involves advancing an argument
one with goes round and round in cycles is not worth the server space
08-28-08, 08:58 PM #96
08-28-08, 09:01 PM #97
08-28-08, 09:09 PM #98
ok i will try to explain this to you in small easy to understand words
you posted a post listing whatever the fuck it was you wanted to talk about, then you come along latter and QUOTE THAT POST in full with no new arguments at all.
Now in a formal debate if you stood up and read the same speach twice word for word in the same debate this isnt called rebuttle its called A BORING WASTE OF TIME.
If you have any new points to make and you need to quote yourself to do it go ahead. QUOTE THE EXACT NESSARLY LINE and then argue for a few paragraphs about it but it specifically states in the rules that quoting a whole post with one line at the end like "i agree" adds nothing to the debate and will be deleted.
The same goes for reposting YOUR OWN posts.
go to where the number is in the top right hand corner of the posts, right click, copy link and post THAT and then argue your new points be them that the other poster missunderstood what you wrote or whatever it is you want to say.
08-29-08, 07:02 AM #99
No lets go back to the issue of debt being meaning less as was in your previous posts. You think my statement that one has to pay interest on the national debt and interest is a premise? All I can say, is what I said originally, get thy head out of thy rectum and into the nearest classroom.
By the way, you tried to insult me with your Mecca comment before I said anything about your national budget...just to set the record straight.
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