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    Kashmir protests continue

    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/as...043927929.html

    Shops, offices, and schools have been shut for the sixth consecutive day in Indian-administered Kashmir as protests over a government move to allot a plot of land to a Hindu pilgrim body deepened.

    Life in the provincial capital Srinagar remained at a standstill on Saturday with protesters fighting pitched battles with the police.

    At least three Kashmiris have been killed and about 250 others injured in the clashes over the past few days, evoking memories of widespread anti-India protests that swept the region after a separatist insurgency broke out in 1989.

    It has been long enough, India should completely withdraw from Kashmir. The voice of the Kashmiri people has been ignored for far too long, countless UN resolutions have been passed, there has been no referendum for the people of Kashmir, the whole World looks on while India holds the people of Kashmir hostage.

    End the Indian occupation of Kashmir!

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    [QUOTE=Ghost_007;1912688]At least three Kashmiris have been killed and about 250 others injured in the clashes over the past few days, evoking memories of widespread anti-India protests that swept the region after a separatist insurgency broke out in 1989. [QUOTE]

    Don't you mean a Islamic insurgency? can't have any Hindu in the lands of the Ummah now can we.

    Islam moves in and all others must convert or die.

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    Pakistan invaded Kashmir. When are they going to move out?

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    It is the will of the Muslim Kashmiri people to be free of Hindu India and its 60 years of continual oppression and genocide against them. Hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians have died in Kashmir and whole villages have been wiped off the valley.

    Kashmir is one of the original habitants for human beings in the world of the great Indus river valley civilization (Sappta Sindhu - Seven Rivers (Hafta Hindu in Farsi)), along with Punjab and Sind (both in Pakistan), which have been inhabited for hundreds of thousands of years.

    The great culture and people of Kashmir are being denied freedom and self-determination because of their religion, being Muslim, by India and its supporters in the West. The crimes against Kashmiri people have soiled forever the reputation of India in the history of the world.

    No nation has the right to occupy another.

    Pakistan is the protector of Kashmiri rights, and the advocator of international law and human rights in Kashmir which have been eradicated due to US support for India's "war on terror" in Kashmir.

    Inshallah, Kashmir will be free from Indian occupation as injustice cannot last forever, this will be the greatest day in history for Muslims of South Asia.

    Dear Ghost, the prayers and blessings of Kashmir and its people are with those who fight for the rights of oppressed. Hope all is well with you Bhaiya.

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    I have no sympathy for those who drove out the Kashmiri Pundits. You cannot commit an ethnic cleansing based on religion and then expect sympathy or support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.A.M. View Post
    I have no sympathy for those who drove out the Kashmiri Pundits. You cannot commit an ethnic cleansing based on religion and then expect sympathy or support.
    So then why do you support Islam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by diamond
    Kashmir is one of the original habitants for human beings in the world of the great Indus river valley civilization (Sappta Sindhu - Seven Rivers (Hafta Hindu in Farsi)), along with Punjab and Sind (both in Pakistan), which have been inhabited for hundreds of thousands of years.
    Uh, say what?

    How many hundreds of thousands of years?

    The rest of the world, having observed Pakistan's behavior elsewhere, is not nearly as well in accord with Pakistan's designs on Kashmir as those who see in Pakistan the fortress of Islam.

    Freedom for Kashmiris is one thing. Annexation by Pakistan does not follow without pause. And obviously inflaming riots over minor issues of Hindu convenience do not recommend the cause of the Fortress,in the eyes of onlookers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalo Roam View Post
    So then why do you support Islam?
    Its the one religion where in all countries, the natives are still the people, not animals in a cage.

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    So India continues to illegally occupy land and brutalise the natives? Shouldn't they be focusing on addressing the plight of millions of destitute Indians, who live in squalor in New Delhi, Calcutta, etc.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.A.M. View Post
    Its the one religion where in all countries, the natives are still the people, not animals in a cage.
    Then explain Dhimmitude?

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    You have it too. Only you call it minority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.A.M. View Post
    Its the one religion where in all countries, the natives are still the people, not animals in a cage.
    Explain, Zimmis (those in custody) are non-Muslim subjects who live in Muslim countries and agree to pay the Jizya (tribute) in exchange for protection and safety, and to be subject to Islamic law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.A.M. View Post
    Its the one religion where in all countries, the natives are still the people, not animals in a cage.
    According to Muslim jurists, the following legal ordinances must be enforced on Zimmis (Christians and Jews alike) who reside among Muslims:

    1)
    Zimmis are not allowed to build new churches, temples, or synagogues. They are allowed to renovate old churches or houses of worship provided they do not allow to add any new construction. "Old churches" are those which existed prior to Islamic conquests and are included in a peace accord by Muslims. Construction of any church, temple, or synagogue in the Arab Peninsula (Saudi Arabia) is prohibited. It is the land of the Prophet and only Islam should prevail there. Yet, Muslims, if they wish, are permitted to demolish all non-Muslim houses of worship in any land they conquer.

    2)
    Zimmis are not allowed to pray or read their sacred books out loud at home or in churches, lest Muslims hear their prayers.

    3)
    Zimmis are not allowed to print their religious books or sell them in public places and markets. They are allowed to publish and sell them among their own people, in their churches and temples.

    4)
    Zimmis are not allowed to install the cross on their houses or churches since it is a symbol of infidelity.

    5)
    Zimmis are not permitted to broadcast or display their ceremonial religious rituals on radio or television or to use the media or to publish any picture of their religious ceremonies in newspaper and magazines.

    6)
    Zimmis are not allowed to congregate in the streets during their religious festivals; rather, each must quietly make his way to his church or temple.

    7)
    Zimmis are not allowed to join the army unless there is indispensable need for them in which case they are not allowed to assume leadership positions but are considered mercenaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.A.M. View Post
    You have it too. Only you call it minority.
    But minorities in this country have full rights of citizenship, even the right to Keep and Bear Arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalo Roam View Post
    Explain, Zimmis (those in custody) are non-Muslim subjects who live in Muslim countries and agree to pay the Jizya (tribute) in exchange for protection and safety, and to be subject to Islamic law.
    Yeah, like all minorities pay taxes and are subject to the country's laws. Except, under Islamic laws, only able bodied Non-Muslim males have to pay taxes, which are fixed. Not women, children or the elderly or incapacitated. These males are also exempt from compulsory military service. All Muslims are taxed at 2.5% of their disposable income with IIRC, about 3-5% taxes on agricultural produce/land and 10% taxation on gold above a certain amount. We pay this even if we live in a non-Muslim country, in the form of charitable contributions. In addition to any other taxes we pay under the country's laws. And in an Islamic country, all males have to compulsory do military service or pay compensation to get out of it.

    All those things you gave above, those are equivalent to Americans sending Indians on trail of tears or taking their land and putting them on reservations. ie. some people did it, but its not part of teh Quran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiamondHearts View Post

    Kashmir is one of the original habitants for human beings in the world of the great Indus river valley civilization (Sappta Sindhu - Seven Rivers (Hafta Hindu in Farsi)), along with Punjab and Sind (both in Pakistan), which have been inhabited for hundreds of thousands of years.
    You are right. Those original people were Hindus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.A.M. View Post
    Yeah, like all minorities pay taxes and are subject to the country's laws. Except, under Islamic laws, only able bodied Non-Muslim males have to pay taxes, which are fixed. Not women, children or the elderly or incapacitated. These males are also exempt from compulsory military service. All Muslims are taxed at 2.5% of their disposable income with IIRC, about 3-5% taxes on agricultural produce/land and 10% taxation on gold above a certain amount. And in an Islamic country, all males have to compulsory do military service or pay compensation to get out of it.

    All those things you gave above, those are equivalent to Americans sending Indians on trail of tears or taking their land and putting them on reservations. ie. some people did it, but its not part of teh Quran.
    But they are in their own lands, why should they have to pay taxes to Muslems, for the privilege of living in their own lands just to remain free.

    And as I have pointed out they do not have the same rights and privilege as a Moslem, they are a second class, and have to pay for the right to be second class.

    Zimmis are not allowed to build new churches, temples, or synagogues. They are allowed to renovate old churches or houses of worship provided they do not allow to add any new construction. "Old churches" are those which existed prior to Islamic conquests and are included in a peace accord by Muslims. Construction of any church, temple, or synagogue in the Arab Peninsula (Saudi Arabia) is prohibited. It is the land of the Prophet and only Islam should prevail there. Yet, Muslims, if they wish, are permitted to demolish all non-Muslim houses of worship in any land they conquer.


    Zimmis are not allowed to pray or read their sacred books out loud at home or in churches, lest Muslims hear their prayers.

    And all the dhimmi are place on reservation, their own town and this is delineated by the opinion of;

    Mawdudi, who is a Hanifite,

    "In their own towns and cities they are allowed to do so (practice their religion) with the fullest freedom. In purely Muslim areas, however, an Islamic government has full discretion to put such restrictions on their practices as it deems necessary."
    I would call that a reservation system.

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    Why the hell are we arguing about the concept of Dhimmitude? This thread is about Kashmir. Buffalo Roam: Shut the fuck up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalo Roam View Post
    But they are in their own lands, why should they have to pay taxes to Muslems, for the privilege of living in their own lands just to remain free.
    Umm they are paying taxes to the government. Muslims can only tax non-Muslims separately if the country is run under an Islamic form of government. However, all Muslim countries nowadays are run under the modern system, which means people are taxed by teh government and Muslims pay zakat separately. So under the current system, Muslims pay tax plus religious tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadark View Post
    Why the hell are we arguing about the concept of Dhimmitude? This thread is about Kashmir. Buffalo Roam: Shut the fuck up.
    Yes it is.

    And once Kashmir is absorbed into the Pakistan, the Hindu become second class citizens, with restrictions on worship, culture and custom.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kadark View Post
    Why the hell are we arguing about the concept of Dhimmitude? This thread is about Kashmir. Buffalo Roam: Shut the fuck up.
    Must be very correct in my quotation of the Zimmis laws in Sharia to get you this worked up.

    ps: I am not a dhimmi for you to cures, so pound sand.

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