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    If by "we" you mean you and I than your statement is both paradoxical and somewhat flabberghasting. We are you and I. Nothing other. Nothing apart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim840 View Post
    Are you choosing to ignore the facts, or are you just anti-American? I've already given numerous reasons why we couldn't wait, why we had to act as soon as possible. True, the atomic bombs were horrible and killed around 230,000 people, but that's nothing compared to the number of deaths that would have come had we waited. The Japanese treated the civilians in their overseas empire brutally (in the notorious Nanking Massacre, 370,000 Chinese civilians were murdered in just three weeks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre), and like I said, there was still lots of fighting going on in southern and southeastern Asia. And then there was the military coup in Japan attempting to prevent Japanese surrender:

    I think you are ignoring the fact that the US murdered civilians....

    [QUOTE]The United States strategic bombing of Japan took place between 1942 and 1945. In the last seven months of the campaign, a change to firebombing tactics resulted in great destruction of 67 Japanese cities, as many as 500,000 Japanese deaths and some 5 million more made homeless. Emperor Hirohito's viewing of the destroyed areas of Tokyo in March 1945, is said to have been the beginning of his personal involvement in the peace process, culminating in Japan's surrender five months later..

    Japanese city % area destroyed

    Yokohama 58%
    Tokyo 51
    Toyama 99
    Nagoya 40
    Osaka 35.1
    Nishinomiya 11.9
    Shimonoseki 37.6
    Kure 41.9
    Kobe 55.7
    Omuta 35.8
    Wakayama 50
    Kawasaki 36.2
    Okayama 68.9
    Yawata 21.2
    Kagoshima 63.4
    Amagasaki 18.9
    Sasebo 41.4
    Moji 23.3
    Miyakonojō 26.5
    Nobeoka 25.2
    Miyazaki 26.1
    Ube 20.7
    Saga 44.2
    Imabari 63.9
    Matsuyama 64
    Fukui 86
    Tokushima 85.2
    Sakai 48.2
    Hachioji 65
    Kumamoto 31.2
    Isesaki 56.7
    Takamatsu 67.5
    Akashi 50.2
    Fukuyama 80.9
    Aomori 30
    Okazaki 32.2
    Ōita 28.2
    Hiratsuka 48.4
    Tokuyama 48.3
    Yokkaichi 33.6
    Ujiyamada 41.3
    Ōgaki 39.5
    Gifu 63.6
    Shizuoka 66.1
    Himeji 49.4
    Fukuoka 24.1
    Kōchi 55.2
    Shimizu 42
    Omura 33.1
    Chiba 41
    Ichinomiya 56.3
    Nara 69.3
    Tsu 69.3
    Kuwana 75
    Toyohashi 61.9
    Numazu 42.3
    Choshi 44.2
    Kofu 78.6
    Utsunomiya 43.7
    Mito 68.9
    Sendai 21.9
    Tsuruga 65.1
    Nagaoka 64.9
    Hitachi 72
    Kumagaya 55.1
    Hamamatsu 60.3
    Maebashi 64.2

    Japan was destroyed before the big bombs.......?

    One thousand six hundred and sixty-seven tons of bombs were dropped on Tokyo in the first attack. The chosen areas were saturated. Fifteen square miles of Tokyo's most densely populated area(civilians) were burned to the ground(march '45).
    'Total civilian casualties in Japan, as a result of 9 months of air attack, including those from the atomic bombs, were approximately 806,000'


    This is taken from the United States Strategic Bombing Survey, published in 1946..
    "The talks by the Japanese ambassador in Moscow and with the Soviet ambassador in Tokyo did not make progress. On 20 June the Emperor, on his own initiative, called the six members of the Supreme War Direction Council to a conference and said it was necessary to have a plan to close the war at once, as well as a plan to defend the home islands. The timing of the Potsdam Conference interfered with a plan to send Prince Konoye to Moscow as a special emissary with instructions from the cabinet to negotiate for peace on terms less than unconditional surrender, but with private instructions from the Emperor to secure peace at any price. Although the Supreme War Direction Council, in its deliberations on the Potsdam Declaration, was agreed on the advisability of ending the war, three of its members, the Prime Minister, the Foreign Minister and the Navy Minister, were prepared to accept unconditional surrender, while the other three, the Army Minister, and the Chiefs of Staff of both services, favored continued resistance unless certain mitigating conditions were obtained...so the Japanese were talking peace in June...? MURDER...IN THE NAME OF PEACE LOOL

    ..Admiral William Leahy stated in I Was There, "My own feeling is that being the first to use it (the atomic bomb) we had adopted an ethical standard common to the Barbarism of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children."......
    ..General Curtis LeMay, chief of the Air Forces, p.334, "The war would have been over in two weeks without the Russians entering and without the atomic bomb. PRESS INQUIRY: You mean that, sir? Without the Russians and without the atomic bomb? LeMay: The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all." September 29, 1945, statement.

    I am reading the facts and sorry dude but I do not condone MASS MURDER OF CIVILIANS in any shape or form or listen to any excuse for it....I could post 5 whole pages on reasons why there was no need to drop the bombs whether you could accept those reasons is another matter...
    Last edited by Pinocchio's Hoof; 05-28-08 at 04:33 AM.

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    Ethical standards common to the Barbarism of the Dark Ages.

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    Well I'll stick by what "Chen Chunming", 'a nutritional expert at the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention' said as he made sense.
    Look into the Chinese stats. They're much lower than Brit or American. As well, they are (admittedly so by the Chinese press) not a fair sampling. Remember the vast majority of the population is poor and access to many of these areas is difficult at best.
    What about the Spice Girls? You can't deny that they (were) hot.
    I can and I do. They were not hot. Elizabeth Hurley, though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler View Post
    Look into the Chinese stats. They're much lower than Brit or American. As well, they are (admittedly so by the Chinese press) not a fair sampling. Remember the vast majority of the population is poor and access to many of these areas is difficult at best.
    ...
    You are correct about the stats, and my fears over the main cause is the same as Cummings.....

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    [QUOTE=Pinocchio's Hoof;1875230]I think you are ignoring the fact that the US murdered civilians....

    The United States strategic bombing of Japan took place between 1942 and 1945. In the last seven months of the campaign, a change to firebombing tactics resulted in great destruction of 67 Japanese cities, as many as 500,000 Japanese deaths and some 5 million more made homeless. Emperor Hirohito's viewing of the destroyed areas of Tokyo in March 1945, is said to have been the beginning of his personal involvement in the peace process, culminating in Japan's surrender five months later..

    Japanese city % area destroyed

    Yokohama 58%
    Tokyo 51
    Toyama 99
    Nagoya 40
    Osaka 35.1
    Nishinomiya 11.9
    Shimonoseki 37.6
    Kure 41.9
    Kobe 55.7
    Omuta 35.8
    Wakayama 50
    Kawasaki 36.2
    Okayama 68.9
    Yawata 21.2
    Kagoshima 63.4
    Amagasaki 18.9
    Sasebo 41.4
    Moji 23.3
    Miyakonojō 26.5
    Nobeoka 25.2
    Miyazaki 26.1
    Ube 20.7
    Saga 44.2
    Imabari 63.9
    Matsuyama 64
    Fukui 86
    Tokushima 85.2
    Sakai 48.2
    Hachioji 65
    Kumamoto 31.2
    Isesaki 56.7
    Takamatsu 67.5
    Akashi 50.2
    Fukuyama 80.9
    Aomori 30
    Okazaki 32.2
    Ōita 28.2
    Hiratsuka 48.4
    Tokuyama 48.3
    Yokkaichi 33.6
    Ujiyamada 41.3
    Ōgaki 39.5
    Gifu 63.6
    Shizuoka 66.1
    Himeji 49.4
    Fukuoka 24.1
    Kōchi 55.2
    Shimizu 42
    Omura 33.1
    Chiba 41
    Ichinomiya 56.3
    Nara 69.3
    Tsu 69.3
    Kuwana 75
    Toyohashi 61.9
    Numazu 42.3
    Choshi 44.2
    Kofu 78.6
    Utsunomiya 43.7
    Mito 68.9
    Sendai 21.9
    Tsuruga 65.1
    Nagaoka 64.9
    Hitachi 72
    Kumagaya 55.1
    Hamamatsu 60.3
    Maebashi 64.2

    Japan was destroyed before the big bombs.......?

    One thousand six hundred and sixty-seven tons of bombs were dropped on Tokyo in the first attack. The chosen areas were saturated. Fifteen square miles of Tokyo's most densely populated area(civilians) were burned to the ground(march '45).
    'Total civilian casualties in Japan, as a result of 9 months of air attack, including those from the atomic bombs, were approximately 806,000'


    This is taken from the United States Strategic Bombing Survey, published in 1946..
    "The talks by the Japanese ambassador in Moscow and with the Soviet ambassador in Tokyo did not make progress. On 20 June the Emperor, on his own initiative, called the six members of the Supreme War Direction Council to a conference and said it was necessary to have a plan to close the war at once, as well as a plan to defend the home islands. The timing of the Potsdam Conference interfered with a plan to send Prince Konoye to Moscow as a special emissary with instructions from the cabinet to negotiate for peace on terms less than unconditional surrender, but with private instructions from the Emperor to secure peace at any price. Although the Supreme War Direction Council, in its deliberations on the Potsdam Declaration, was agreed on the advisability of ending the war, three of its members, the Prime Minister, the Foreign Minister and the Navy Minister, were prepared to accept unconditional surrender, while the other three, the Army Minister, and the Chiefs of Staff of both services, favored continued resistance unless certain mitigating conditions were obtained...so the Japanese were talking peace in June...? MURDER...IN THE NAME OF PEACE LOOL






    I am reading the facts and sorry dude but I do not condone MASS MURDER OF CIVILIANS in any shape or form or listen to any excuse for it....I could post 5 whole pages on reasons why there was no need to drop the bombs whether you could accept those reasons is another matter...
    Believe me I've seen ALL of these statistics. And I'm not saying it was a wonderful thing for us to have done. But I am saying that if we hadn't done all of that Japan would never have surrendered. The Allies had already agreed upon nothing less than unconditional surrender, and if we couldn't get that, the war would continue.

    Also, if you want to know the reason we had to drop the atomic bombs, read the book Flyboys by James Bradley.
    http://books.google.com/books?id=09s...mbnail#PPP9,M1

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    Why do wealthy Chinese parents let their kids eat anything they want? Because, in general, they let their kids do anything they want. I don't think it's any big secret that many Chinese parents let their kids suffer the 'little emperor' treatment. I've worked at an English school that mainly caters to wealthy students and the parents honestly don't care about anything except marks at school. Otherwise their kid can do whatever they want. That's the chief problem with trying to discipline these children. Threaten to call their mother and they don't care, the mother won't even be angry at them. I've had male students beat the crap out of female students and their parents just laugh and say the equivalent of "oh, you!" when informed.

    The problem is not 'Americanization' or any other shallow explanation. Many factors are contributing in ways directly related to wealth. Believe me; the 9 year old scarfing down two big macs is not doing it because he idolizes America. And when big macs are out of his reach he's eating the greasiest, most fattening chinese food available. It's just a general trend here.

    Of course the Chinese are eager to blame it on imported American tastes. According to conventional Chinese wisdom Chinese food (mostly served in bowls of grease with fried vegetables - thus losing most of the health benefits of vegetables - and loads of MSG) is by far the most healthy; American and Japanese (simply because the conventional Chinese outlook is that Japanese are generally stupid and bad) are the most unhealthy. To many people here, the issue is simply that black and white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weed_eater_guy View Post
    Hey yall,

    I've only been living here in my "passport country" for the past three and a half years, and I'm beginning to wonder if I've got some kind of innate dislike of typical Americans that have only known life in this country. I mean, at least in the Midwest, between a very geocentric mindset and a general culture that just has a kind of fake feel to it, I'm in need of reminders of why I should find my countrymen pleasant to be around. Well, not like I'm in dire need or anything, but it came to me as a neat question to put up here, I'm kind of curious how Americans and everyone else will respond.

    With your attitude, you would be miserable wherever you lived. You don't deserve your seat on the bus, so kindly give it up so someone more deserving can take it and thrive on the opportunity.


    A few of us "Americans" on this forum are living a life everyday that some of you can only imagine. You are a constant source of humor and entertainment for us, so please continue to wallow in your own crapulence.

    As Mr. G pointed out in his unique way, we have too much joy and abundance of opportunity to care or be concerned what others think of our ways. That's the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim840 View Post

    Believe me I've seen ALL of these statistics. And I'm not saying it was a wonderful thing for us to have done. But I am saying that if we hadn't done all of that Japan would never have surrendered. ]
    Then you know that there was talk of conditional surrender for 6 months prior to the bombs.....?

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    Pinocchio's Hoof,

    Japan has moved on and become the great country and friend to U.S that is is today, there is no reason for you to pretend to care. I still say this has something to do with Nazi Germany that you are keeping secret.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler View Post
    Why do wealthy Chinese parents let their kids eat anything they want? .
    I don't think obesity is a wealthy problem more of a poverty problem (in the UK at least)fast food is cheap with no nutrition...

    ..Fast-food lovers consumed more fats, sugars and carbohydrates and fewer fruits and non-starchy vegetables than youngsters who didn't eat fast food. They also consumed 187 more daily calories, which likely adds up to about six pounds more per year, the study found.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in591325.shtml

    No time to cook Astrup said the huge portions at most fast-food restaurants and the high caloric density of their food were probably responsible for the obesity link.
    Because even small amounts of fast food contain lots of calories, people consume a great deal without feeling full and soon get hungry again and eat more, he said.
    http://www.naturalnews.com/003576.html

    The Observer article is, unfortunately, a rarity. Most journalists and editors seem to prefer to crank up the attacks on soft targets — the unlovable McDonald's or Coca Cola — rather than expose the dirt that has been swept under the carpet of many parts of urban Britain. The data show quite clearly that lower income families and those living in socially deprived neighbourhoods are far more at risk from becoming obese than the middle and upper classes. A report from the National Statistics office notes:

    "Obesity is linked to social class, being more common among those in the routine or semi-routine occupational groups than the managerial and professional groups. The link is stronger among women. In 2001, 30 per cent of women in routine occupations were classified as obese compared with 16 per cent in higher managerial and professional occupations."
    http://www.sirc.org/articles/poverty_and_obesity.shtml

    And as a professional chef who worked for the Japanese in paris I find Japanese cuisine some of the most healthiest on the planet....?
    I also have some considerable knowledge on Imperial cuisine.
    The main problem of eating healthy in the UK is simply cost....healthy food cost's on average 25-50% more than unhealthy foods.......?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John99 View Post
    Pinocchio's Hoof,

    Japan has moved on and become the great country and friend to U.S that is is today, there is no reason for you to pretend to care. I still say this has something to do with Nazi Germany that you are keeping secret.
    LOl...Look up John Rabe 'the Good Nazi' who helped the chinese in nanking....

    Another Mr John...
    I don't see Japan sending troops to Iraq though...

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    Reason to like America?

    Best movies for the past century or so. Thousands of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinocchio's Hoof View Post
    LOl...Look up John Rabe 'the Good Nazi' who helped the chinese in nanking....
    See? That is my sixth sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinocchio's Hoof View Post
    LOl...Look up John Rabe 'the Good Nazi' who helped the chinese in nanking....

    Another Mr John...
    I don't see Japan sending troops to Iraq though...
    They did, under pressure from the same Americans who dismantled their military and made them sign an agreement against ANY offensive war. Since Japan has no "military" anymore they sent their civilian SDF (Self Defense Forces) to Iraq. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/de...japa-d16.shtml

    Which totally sums up American (il)logic
    Last edited by S.A.M.; 05-28-08 at 03:23 PM.

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    Reason to like America?

    Perhaps a representation of all countries of the world but on a smaller scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.A.M. View Post
    They did, under pressure from the same Americans who dismantled their military and made them sign an agreement against ANY offensive war. Since Japan has no "military" anymore they sent their civilian SDF (Self Defense Forces) to Iraq. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/de...japa-d16.shtml

    Which totally sums up American (il)logic
    Gutted didn't know that

    Do you think it was for the same reason as the UK 'they had to' the UK has been occupied by the US since 1945, even though the country was against Iraq war the government operated against the will/best interests of the people.....

    I don't know who said it but......

    "A government who fears the people is a democracy......
    when the people fear the government it is a tyranny..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by John99 View Post
    Reason to like America?

    Perhaps a representation of all countries of the world but on a smaller scale.
    unless your black,asian or muslim...........

    it could have been so good

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    I see we are on to the hating part.

    I hate americans whom wear Canadian flags(backpack/cap whatever) to get better treatment abroad, then continue to act like arrogant asses.

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