05-09-08, 04:36 PM #1
Does this sentence have a verb?
By verb I mean statement. It does have a verb, but only in the subsentence, and there is no really verb for the mainpart, thus the sentence doesn't state anything.Here is the infamous sentence :
"China and India, and their emerging demand for oil on the world market, and the fact that they will do what is ever is necessary for the best interest of their economies and countries."
The sentence is trying to say something about 2 countries, and it has a I think so called subsentence, which is usually add or clarify something, also accidentally a repeat of the word is, but at the end it really does not state anything.
Somebody expert correct me...
05-09-08, 04:38 PM #2
05-09-08, 04:42 PM #3
OK, I will correct it 2 different ways to make it sensible:
1. China and India, (and their emerging demand for oil on the world market), will do what ever is necessary for the best interest of their economies and countries.
So I had to cut out a few words, but at least now it makes sense.
2. China and India, and their emerging demand for oil on the world market, (and the fact that they will do what ever is necessary for the best interest of their economies and countries) will act as a balance.
Here I had to add a few words including a verb "act". You notice I used () for the subsentence...Man, I had to read it like 5 times while trying to understand what Buffalo was trying to say, and at the end he said nothing.
05-09-08, 04:46 PM #4
05-09-08, 04:52 PM #5
Let me guess ... Buffalo Roam?
05-09-08, 04:58 PM #6
I think the use of emerging qualifies as a "gerund functioning as a verb" in the earlier part of the sentence.
do is also a verb
Its not entirely grammatically correct, but its not entirely incorrect either.
e.g. Emerging from the hotel, I did a piddly in the puddle.
05-09-08, 05:03 PM #7
05-09-08, 05:07 PM #8
05-09-08, 06:10 PM #9
- [and] India,
- [and] their emerging demand (for oil on the world market),
- [and] the fact (that they will do whatever is necessary for the best interest of their economies and countries)
- [the rest of the sentence belongs here...]
1 and 2 are simple subjects. 3 contains a simple subject modified by a possessive pronoun "their" showing it belongs to something else, an adjective "emerging", and a prepositional phrase in parentheses. 4 has a simple sentence modified by an adjective clause describing which fact you're talking about.
When you talk about "mainpart" and "subsentence", you are probably thinking about subjects and predicates. The subject contains who or what is doing the action in the sentence. The predicate contains everything after it that says something about the subject, including the verb for that action. However, your phrase doesn't have a verb saying what China, India, and everything else are doing, which would be the reason for saying anything at all about them. Read this page for more information. The two noun phrases in your monstrous phrase, within themselves, do contain subjects and predicates. But if you step back, you will see one huge subject that has no predicate and is, therefore, incomplete.
You might also be talking about dependent and independent clauses. I can pick out one dependent clause, "that they will do whatever is necessary for the best interest of their economies and countries". The "that" makes the clause dependent. If it weren't there, you'd have an independent clause which could be its own sentence.
The way you describe "subsentence" makes me think of adjective clauses. There's some information about them on this page.
Here's a list of links. Some of them appeared above, but there are extras which help explain other relevant grammatical topics.
But since you're trying to help Buffalo here...
Originally Posted by S.A.M.
05-09-08, 06:42 PM #10
05-09-08, 10:50 PM #11
I guess that sentence can make sense if that is meant as an answer. Such as in:
Q: who drive the oil market?
A: China and India, and their emerging demand for oil on the world market, and the fact that they will do whatever is necessary for the best interest of their economies and countries
05-09-08, 11:49 PM #12
Yeah, that way it makes sense. Otherwise I think he just got lost in the sentence, because it was too long for him and by the time he reached the end, he forgot the beginning....
05-09-08, 11:55 PM #13
05-10-08, 12:25 AM #14
05-10-08, 03:16 AM #15
05-10-08, 06:06 AM #16
Emerging from an hotel ( al la Malcolm Fraser,..pants around ankles)I hung a coupla participles whilst pissing myself..whoops, wrong thread (long dung lump)
05-10-08, 10:23 AM #17
- China and India, and their emerging demand for oil on the world market, and the fact. . . .
- . . . .and there is no really verb for the main part. . . .
- . . . . thus the sentence doesn't state anything.
- . . . .fact that they will do what is ever is necessary for the best interest of their economies and countries.
Emerging from the hotel, I did a piddly in the puddle.
- . . . .emerging demand for oil on the world market. . . .
Yes, the paradigm of "parts of speech" is breaking down in English when the same word can serve as four different parts. We also have new compound words breaking all the old rules of "parts of speech" such as "user-friendly" and "fuel-efficient." Perhaps we can dream that some day English will be as streamlined as Chinese, with only nouns and verbs as parts of speech, and all relics of the Stone Age, such as articles, prepositions, conjunctions, pronouns, inflections, gender, number, and tense will be gone.
It should be
- China and India, with their emerging demand for oil on the world market and their intention to do whatever is in the best interest of their countries' economies.
05-10-08, 10:31 AM #18
Wow, thanks, Fraggle
05-10-08, 11:57 AM #19
05-10-08, 12:20 PM #20
Do tell me if you think I am wrong because I can be unwittingly pedantic.
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