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    Quote Originally Posted by Vkothii View Post
    Where did you learn French? From a supermarket book? "Il'y'a" translates literally as: "he/it has there". Usual translation: "He/it/there is".

    So when did you become a Romance language expert? Entrainer la mort, de cela projet?
    France. Il'y'a is the French equivalent of Spanish " Hay" = there is

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    Il'y'a is the French equivalent of Spanish " Hay" = there is
    Qu'est-ce que c'est, que ce qu' ça?
    There's no equivalence, only (rough) translation. What is that (that is) what that is, what that which this (is)?

    But recalling some of my all too brief education in French, I know (je sais) another (un autre) way to say "dead" - mort.

    So:
    il est mort = he/it is dead
    Or:
    elle est mort = she is dead
    And:
    entraîner la mort de = be the death of

    You could say: "il a mort", but you'd probably get strange looks from a French person, it means "he/it has death".
    Il'y'a mort means: "he/it has death there". You understand that 'y' implies a locative (here/there), and associates with nouns and pronouns...?
    Last edited by Vkothii; 04-25-08 at 07:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vkothii View Post
    Slight re-correction. Il n'y'a pas encore means: "He/it/there does not have more there". So there.
    No. Il y'a is the French idiom equivalent to English "there is," Spanish hay, German es gibt, Italian c'e, etc. It's just as untranslatable as those, the literal meaning being "it there has." Il n'y'a pas [une chose] means "There is no... [something]." Il n'y'a pas encore is then highly idiomatic, meaning literally "there is no again, there is no further." It's not my best language, this may be the way the French say "there is no more."
    And btw, qu'est-ce que c'est? means "what is that what that is?", so I have to ask: qu'est-ce que c'est, que ce qu' ça?
    Qu'est-ce que c'est is another idiom that defies literal translation. Elision is so rampant in French that short sentences come out really short, so short that they'd be difficult to understand. "What is this" would literally be Qu-est ce, pronounced in one syllable with each word as a single phoneme, KES. So they expand it to five syllables, "Qu'est-ce que c'est que ça," literally "what is this which this is which that?" It is not only redundant but grammatically incorrect, but at least it can be understood.
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    yeah, you can't just make stuff up. epsilon. pffft
    "For every epsilon, there is a delta." Perhaps he is our delta.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vkothii View Post
    Qu'est-ce que c'est, que ce qu' ça? There's no equivalence, only (rough) translation. What is that (that is) what that is, what that which this (is)?
    That's not right either but it's understandable. "What is [something]" is qu'est-ce que c'est que... [quelque chose]. Qu'est-ce que c'est qu'une fraise? = "What is a strawberry?"
    But recalling some of my all too brief education in French, I know (je sais) another (un autre) way to say "dead" - mort. So: il est mort = he/it is dead Or: elle est mort = she is dead
    You haven't recalled enough of your lessons. In French as in all the Romance languages, adjectives (including past participles) have to be declined for gender, so it's elle est morte.
    And: entraîner la mort de = be the death of
    You've got the wrong word. "Death" is la morte.
    You could say: "il a mort", but you'd probably get strange looks from a French person, it means "he/it has death".
    Since you spelled it wrong and got the past participle, I suppose that might be interpreted as "He has died," but they'd be more likely to use être with that past participle than avoir, so il est mort could be translated as both "he has died" and "he is dead," and a Frenchman would ask why we need two different sentences in English since they both express the same thought.
    Il'y'a mort means: "he/it has death there".
    Presumably you mean il y'a de la morte, "there is death." French grammar is full of spurious words whose only purpose is to help parse the sentence. It's very difficult to get right and I don't promise that mine is 100% correct but I'm pretty sure it's an improvement.

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    Hmm. I know that French has masculine and feminine nouns, and that Francais for "death" is a feminine noun, but I'm fairly sure the feminised spelling (morte) disappeared from the language a fair while ago. The modern form is "la mort".

    But if you can find an example of the modern use of mort/morte, that would be interesting.

    P.S. I'm not exactly aiming at linguistic precision here, just trying to show that there's a gap between most languages, so "usual" meaning is only meaningful in a certain context.

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    The Star Trek version:

    "It's worse than that, he's dead Jim!"

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