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    The significance of Q's avatar

    Q's avatar is a picture of a brain in a vat.

    Is this in any reference to the Brain in a Vat argument?

    Should Q's posts be in some way or another interpreted in relation to the Brain in a Vat argument?

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    I think it is important also to note that we need not give Q's own opinion on the issue priority. He may have selected the symbol without consciously realizing its centralness. Writers are often not the best or most insightful critics of their own work.

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    Its to signify his brain is separate from his individuality, I suppose.

    Consider the hypothesis that you are a disembodied brain floating in a vat of nutrient fluids. This brain is connected to a supercomputer whose program produces electrical impulses that stimulate the brain in just the way that normal brains are stimulated as a result of perceiving external objects in the normal way. (The movie ‘The Matrix’ depicts embodied brains which are so stimulated, while their bodies float in a vats.) If you are a brain in a vat, then you have experiences that are qualitatively indistinguishable from those of a normal perceiver. If you come to believe, on the basis of your computer-induced experiences, that you are looking at at tree, then you are sadly mistaken.
    Interesting.

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    That's deeeeeep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.A.M. View Post
    Its to signify his brain is separate from his individuality, I suppose.
    Now, now.

    Let's assume that Greenberg has hit the reference on the head, so to speak.

    This image is a symbol of rational caution. One does not leap to conclusions because of how things seem.
    Seeming is not evidence. It implies a stance that is critical of evidence based on the senses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenberg View Post
    Q's avatar is a picture of a brain in a vat.

    Is this in any reference to the Brain in a Vat argument?

    Should Q's posts be in some way or another interpreted in relation to the Brain in a Vat argument?
    Please remember that my vat is also an inter-galatic starship currently in orbit several thousand miles up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sowhatifit'sdark View Post
    Now, now.

    Let's assume that Greenberg has hit the reference on the head, so to speak.

    This image is a symbol of rational caution. One does not leap to conclusions because of how things seem.
    Seeming is not evidence. It implies a stance that is critical of evidence based on the senses.
    I assume due to my knowledge of his low opinion of philosophy in general. Unless he's changed his mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by (Q)
    Philosophy is merely organized bullshit, of which little training is required, and only the experience of bullshitting.

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    VAT also means value added tax.
    The meaning becomes clear.
    Brain in a value added tax.
    Which is a scathing critique not only of theism but also nominalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.A.M. View Post
    I assume due to my knowledge of his low opinion of philosophy in general. Unless he's changed his mind.
    The quote certainly forms a basis of critique of Greenberg's thesis, but offers no support of your thesis, except insofar as it is not Greenberg's. This latter is also true of my value added tax theory, for which I am grateful.

    Your first theory seemed to be, essentially, that he is making a claim of objectivity, which makes the brain in a vat a bad choice, but the value added tax theory a good one, since it is a tax intended to cover ALL business transactions, rather than a prejudiced tithing of certain sectors. Therefore: an objective tax.

    It can be further concluded that he see his posts as taxing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sowhatifit'sdark View Post
    The quote certainly forms a basis of critique of Greenberg's thesis, but offers no support of your thesis, except insofar as it is not Greenberg's. This latter is also true of my value added tax theory, for which I am grateful.

    Your first theory seemed to be, essentially, that he is making a claim of objectivity, which makes the brain in a vat a bad choice, but the value added tax theory a good one, since it is a tax intended to cover ALL business transactions, rather than a prejudiced tithing of certain sectors. Therefore: an objective tax.

    It can be further concluded that he see his posts as taxing.
    Hmm as a nutritionist, my own perspective is that his brain is seriously pickled.

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    What are the, suspiciously coin-like, bubbles then in your theory?

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    It farted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sowhatifit'sdark View Post
    What are the, suspiciously coin-like, bubbles then in your theory?
    Fermentation from over pickling. Gases escaping forthwith.

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    No, I am not swayed. I think they are coins, silver ones, falling into the brain.

    The metaphor is
    knowledge = money
    science = taxation
    world = taxpayer
    brain = treasury department ----------} government works informed (payed for) via this process.

    Also note that copper oxidizes to precisely that color the liquid has. So the pennies or in any case copper coins have already gone through the liquid.

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    Hmm so why is the brain floating do you think?

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    zero (well, low) gravity, space station research

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    Quote Originally Posted by sowhatifit'sdark View Post
    zero (well, low) gravity, space station research
    And the coins?

    I think they are coins, silver ones, falling into the brain.

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