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  1. greenberg until the end of the world Registered Senior Member

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    "A person could be delusional about anything except for one thing: they cannot be delusional about God. When a person thinks they know God, this is always true - when a person thinks they know God, they in fact do know God."



    True or false?
     
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  3. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    false. If God is thought of as a supernatural thing instead of merely a highly advanced life form, if it is infinite, omnipotent, omniscient, and all the rest, it is impossible for a human to conceive of it. Any image you might have in your mind of it would necessarily be incomplete.
     
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  5. Anti-Flag Pun intended Registered Senior Member

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    Well in a way it's considered true, because if you say you can see, hear, or speak to invisible people, leprechauns, aliens or other somesuch far-fetched creatures, then it's most likely people will believe you insane and think you should be locked up. However god is perfectly acceptable.
    Is this debate about if it actually is true or not, or if it should be true or not?
     
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  7. Adstar Valued Senior Member

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    No one on earth knows God completely. So if you take your statement “do know God” to mean know God completely then the answer is false. No one knows God completely.


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  8. greenberg until the end of the world Registered Senior Member

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    Nonsense.

    In order to know something to be X, one has to know all of it, completely.

    Because something could also partially look/be like X, while the rest be something else.
    And if the observer knows only that part of it that looks like X, they still cannot be sure whether said thing si X or not.

    Therefore, in order to know X for X, they have to know all of X.
     
  9. Adstar Valued Senior Member

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    Nonsense

    We are not talking about a letters or objects we are talking about a Being, a Character if you like.

    I know that you exist greenberg and the only thing i know about you is from your words in your letters. Now i do not know you totally do I. Same with God I know Him from His Word. and other things too

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    but i do not know Him totally.

    My answer stands true and right.



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  10. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    Slight errors in your reassoning. Someone, impersonating Greenberg, could have wriiten the above. There is no way you can prove the authorship.

    God did not write the Bible,. yet you claim to know him through it.
     
  11. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    i'm don't think that delusional is the right word to use here but i think they can be wrong.

    i also don't think there's anything to fear. it's a matter of intent, and god does handle it.
     
  12. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    So if I go to the airport and see a Boeing 747 sitting on the runway, I can't know it's an airplane because I don't know ever detail about how every single part on it? :bugeye:
     
  13. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    Nonsense.

    You can know it's an airplane becaude you have empirical evidence. If you see god, make sure you get him to pose for a picture so the rest of us can know what he looks like.
     
  14. greenberg until the end of the world Registered Senior Member

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    If you were shown a thousand photos of people, would you recognize in which one I am?

    You are making a basic logical mistake, assuming that the whole can be adequately known or recognized after a part.
     
  15. greenberg until the end of the world Registered Senior Member

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    Strictly speaking, yes. Because it could be that what you see is only a shell.

    In everyday life, we make inferences from part to whole all the time; life would be very difficult if we wouldn't. Of course, every now and then, we make mistakes. As the story of the blind men and the elephant goes, what we thought was a brush sometimes turns out to be the elephant's tail, and so on.

    But when it comes to something so serious as God, issues of deciding whether we wish to choose to go to eternal hell or eternal heaven - is it really too much to demand some accuracy from those who claim to know God?
     
  16. Yorda Registered Senior Member

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    it's impossible to know everything about something because everything except nothing is something.

    know yourself and you will know everything.

    i took a picture of god yesterday. but if i show it to you, will you believe that it is god? how can i prove it to you?
     
  17. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    You can't prove it and that is your problem not mine. Show me a picture of a plane and I will infer it is a whole plane but, as Greenberg says. it may only be a shell. But you cannot show or demonstrate any part of god, so I have no reason to believe you
     
  18. Yorda Registered Senior Member

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    just look out from your window and you will see many parts of god.
     
  19. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    I have just seen a dog's turd on the lawn.
     
  20. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    What's the difference?
     
  21. Yorda Registered Senior Member

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    well the thing is... god is imaginary. he's nothing. but remember that nothing created everything.
    nobody is perfect, therefore god is nobody.
    god is a being... THE being (existence, life) itself.

    /just-a-nobody
     
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  22. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    The turd didn't get angry when I refused to worship it
     
  23. Adstar Valued Senior Member

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    Once again I am not talking about knowing somthing visualy. I do not need to know what you look like to know something about your throughts and personality. Why carn't you grasp this simple concept. I know you exist greenberg and i know things about you through what you have allowed yourself to reveal here in this forum. But i do not know all your thoughts and really i don't need too all we are interested in here is the issue of God and each others thoughts on God.

    Please read again what i have been saying.

    I said that no one can know God totally that means that i am not assuming the whole can be adequately known or recognized from a part. I am saying that What can be known of God is only a part and that part is only what God wishes to reveal.


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