Active Denial System

**kmguru** · 03-03-08, 05:49 PM

Saw a piece on Active Denial System on CBS 60 minutes. Any one wants to discuss technology, Ethics, etc...?

The Active Intellegence Denial System (ADS) is a non-lethal, directed-energy weapon developed by the U.S. military.[1] It is a strong millimeter-wave transmitter used for crowd control (the "goodbye effect"[2]). Informally, the weapon is also called pain ray.[3] Raytheon is currently marketing a reduced range version of this technology.[4]

The ADS is currently being considered for deployment in the Iraq war. ADS has also been present at various public events in the United States. It is unclear if the government has sought any authorization to deploy the weapon at home or did so without public input.[5] - Wikipedia

**cosmictraveler** · 03-03-08, 06:05 PM

Lets see, they have tear gas, pepper gas, rubber bullets, water cannons, stun grenades, teasers and other various devices to suppress crowds already. I'd like to know why they would need this expensive device that has a limited range and can be set on fire with a fire bomb. Isn't there enough shit in the arsenal of crowd control already to handle things?

**kmguru** · 03-03-08, 06:08 PM

The gizmo works from half a mile distance and can cover a large group of people that need dispersing....like U.S. Embassy incident (I think in Kosovo?)

**cosmictraveler** · 03-03-08, 06:12 PM

So does tear gas doesn't it, at least that's how many crowds are dispersed now.

**Stryder** · 03-03-08, 06:14 PM

They have a lesser version that doesn't induce pain (well isn't suppose to) it was actually made as a Verbal warning which would projected into crowd control situations. When I say project, I mean it doesn't use a speaker system it just puts a voice straight into your head if you are in the crowd.

The problem with it of course is it's controversial nature, I mean if they can put a voice in your head to say "You have entered a Restricted Area, Please leave" it brings up questions about every murder trial where a murder has said "the voices in my head told me to do it!" and the potential implications such equipment could have on politicians that basically answer the words a Military want to hear rather than the corrupt bureaucratic claptrap that suggests their funding be cut. (Afterall Politicians deserve that well earn't forth home)

**Asguard** · 03-03-08, 06:40 PM

how the hell does it do that stryder?

That sounds like pure science fiction

I mean unless you could tap the neves of the ear or make the voice box resinate or something like that but if it made the head vibrate that precisly it would also make EVERYTHING ELSE vibrate the same so would STILL come in via the ears

**Stryder** · 03-03-08, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Asguard

how the hell does it do that stryder?

That sounds like pure science fiction

I mean unless you could tap the neves of the ear or make the voice box resinate or something like that but if it made the head vibrate that precisly it would also make EVERYTHING ELSE vibrate the same so would STILL come in via the ears

It doesn't take much, it is just down to generating certain frequencies. I had links once upon a time on the subject, although not D.A.R.P.A.'s prototype. The links I had was actually to an Inventor that created a small version which people referred to as "looking like a Waffle Iron", basically he could through ultrasonic's project sound into a persons head, he put forwards various potentials, like soothing waterfall sounds for tranquil reasons or what he happened to be using it for which was saying 'Boo!' in a person's head to make them jump (At least that last statement is how I remember it, it was from about 2001).

**Asguard** · 03-03-08, 07:31 PM

so its more like hearing YOURSELF say something than hearing someone else say it

this is REALLY bad, ok it might be funny to make someone jump but imagin if this was used on someone with scisophrenia either to a) make them think there meds wernt working or b) to manipulate them for example into killing someone

**kmguru** · 03-03-08, 07:37 PM

I have heard something like this before. It uses Ultrasonic with a sound modulation where Ultrasonic is the carrier wave. The human body removes the Ultrasonic and hears just the voice. They wanted to sell the gadgets in department stores where it is spot directed meaning only specific locations will have the sound and the sound can reach a longer distance.

**sowhatifit'sdark** · 03-03-08, 09:08 PM

And then ten years later the people zapped (and surrounding residents) find themselves with tumors or other 'side effects'.

**kmguru** · 03-03-08, 09:22 PM

You are exposed to the microwave radiation at home for a long time now....a little bit at a time....

**MetaKron** · 03-08-08, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by kmguru

You are exposed to the microwave radiation at home for a long time now....a little bit at a time....

But that microwave radiation usually doesn't leave you with large areas of skin sloughing off. Don't you love the smell of roast pork in the morning?

decantemix · 03-08-08, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by kmguru

Saw a piece on Active Denial System on CBS 60 minutes. Any one wants to discuss technology, Ethics, etc...?

Quick, someone tap into Neo's network, the Matrix has proven invalid at impenetrable.

**kmguru** · 03-08-08, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by MetaKron

But that microwave radiation usually doesn't leave you with large areas of skin sloughing off. Don't you love the smell of roast pork in the morning?

I was posting in reference to the radiation. Of course there is a difference between 2.45 GHz and 95 GHz. However millimeter bands are also used by point to point data communications....and I wonder in large cities one might be exposed to such frequencies....

**~~draqon~~** · 03-08-08, 09:01 PM

you can block ADS with tinfoil

**kmguru** · 03-08-08, 10:02 PM

It is designed to disperse unruly crowd and not terrorists. BTW, I use a copper foil in my pant pocket and put the little cell phone - just in case.

**MetaKron** · 03-08-08, 11:12 PM

They are soft-peddling the fact that in tests subjects experienced second and first degree burns. If the system is left on too long and people are trapped they will be burned, severely. The police already like to trap demonstrators and torture them. This will just be the first time that they get to see lots of smoke rising from living humans.

**sowhatifit'sdark** · 03-08-08, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by kmguru

You are exposed to the microwave radiation at home for a long time now....a little bit at a time....

And this increases the incidence of cancer by.....?

**MetaKron** · 03-09-08, 01:10 AM

I'm more worried about having a skin that will never be free of pain again.

**Echo3Romeo** · 03-10-08, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by cosmictraveler

Lets see, they have tear gas, pepper gas, rubber bullets, water cannons, stun grenades, teasers and other various devices to suppress crowds already. I'd like to know why they would need this expensive device that has a limited range and can be set on fire with a fire bomb. Isn't there enough shit in the arsenal of crowd control already to handle things?

Rubber baton rounds can seriously injure or kill, water cannons are messy and difficult to deploy, flashbangs don't produce lingering effects, gas is only effective when the weather is working in your favor, tasers don't work against large groups of people, etc. etc.

Every measure has its strengths and weaknesses, including this doodad. The more tools you have on hand, the greater your chance is at finding the perfect one.