"Youths" now rioting in Denmark

madanthonywayne · Feb 18, 2008

Well, first it was France, now it's Denmark. Once again these mysterious "youths" are out rioting and burning cars. You know, there are plenty of youths in my home town. Should I be worried? Is there some virus spreading thru the "youth" culture?

COPENHAGEN (Reuters) - Bands of youths set fire to cars, buses and schools in Denmark on Saturday, the seventh night of rioting and vandalism in the capital Copenhagen and other Danish cities, police said on Sunday.

Four youths were arrested in the capital for suspected arson and at least 24 fires were reported across the country. Several youths were detained in Denmark's second city Aarhus in Jutland, and in Odense on Funen island.

"It is some of the same groups that have roamed the city for the last couple of nights," police operations leader Preben Jorgensen told Reuters while inspecting fire damage at Tingbjerg School in the outskirts of Copenhagen.

Hundreds of cars and a number of schools have been vandalised or burned in the past week. Police could give no reason, but said unusually mild weather and the closure of schools for a winter break might have contributed.

Authorities have arrested dozens of youths, predominantly with immigrant backgrounds.

Police said that Saturday night was calmer than earlier in the week.

Social workers said an alleged plot to kill a Danish cartoonist for his drawing two years ago of the Prophet Mohammad might have fuelled the riots. Danish newspapers reprinted the cartoon on Wednesday in protest against the plot.

Ten Danish lawmakers cancelled a four-day trip to Iran on Saturday, two days before their departure, after Iranian protests about the republication of the cartoon.

The Danish Foreign Ministry said parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee dropped the trip after the Iranian parliament demanded an apology because Danish newspapers had reprinted the cartoon, one of several whose publication two years ago caused outrage in Islamic countries.

Most Muslims consider depictions of the Prophet Mohammad offensive.

Authorities arrested two Tunisians and a Dane of Moroccan descent on Tuesday for planning to kill the cartoonist, and 15 Danish newspapers reprinted his drawing on Wednesday in protest against the alleged murder plot. http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-31995320080217?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0
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Oh, it turns out "youth' is just a way of not saying Muslim. So I guess my town should be fine.

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draqon · Feb 18, 2008

well...who let the dogs out? woof woof woof woof...Why did these countries let these guys inside their country ?

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S.A.M. · Feb 18, 2008

Its good to see the immigrants absorbing the Danish values of free expression. Good show.

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draqon · Feb 18, 2008

S.A.M. said: ↑

Its good to see the immigrants absorbing the Danish values of free expression. Good show.
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if riots are free expressions than jihad is free expression too

madanthonywayne · Feb 18, 2008

draqon said: ↑

well...who let the dogs out? woof woof woof woof...Why did these countries let these guys inside their country ?
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Maybe they figured the greater the number of people practicing the "religion of peace" in their country, the more peaceful their country would become!

S.A.M. · Feb 18, 2008

That would certainly explain why they refused to publish cartoons of Jesus, but published and now republished caricatures of Mohammed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2006/feb/06/pressandpublishing.politics

draqon · Feb 18, 2008

thing is, the ones making riots are the youth...so they have not been exposed to Islam as much, therefore they do not understand Koran fully.

S.A.M. · Feb 18, 2008

Doesn't matter. They are immigrants, from a culture that holds religion sacred. And are being spat in the face. Like anyone else in the same position, but significantly in a more powerless position, they are offending their offenders.

http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/ta...ns_again_if_at_first_you_dont_succeed/0015714

draqon · Feb 18, 2008

S.A.M. said: ↑

Doesn't matter. They are immigrants, from a culture that holds religion sacred. And are being spat in the face. Like anyone else in the same position, but significantly in a more powerless position, they are offending their offenders.

http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/ta...ns_again_if_at_first_you_dont_succeed/0015714
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but are their offenses not against their own religion they hold so sacred?

S.A.M. · Feb 18, 2008

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but are their offenses not against their own religion they hold so sacred?
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Uh please, do you think anyone cares about that?

Could they expect this?

This past July Spanish police carried out raids to remove cartoons that were considered offensive to the Spanish Royal family - “Spanish police were ordered to raid newsagents across the country yesterday to remove copies of a satirical magazine deemed to have offended the country’s royal family by publishing a cartoon of the heir to the throne having sex. The cartoon on the front cover of El Jueves magazine showed Crown Prince Felipe and his wife Letizia in the midst of an ardent session of love-making.”

Also in July - “Israel’s ambassador to Norway has complained to press regulators about a cartoon showing Israeli PM Ehud Olmert as a Nazi concentration camp commander.” and further said this cartoon goes beyond the bounds of free speech.

In September, The Catholic League demanded an apology from The Cavalier Daily, the University of Virginia’s student newspaper for cartoons that it considered anti-Christian cartoons.

In April of 2006 the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a Pasadena, California school’s decision that a student could not wear a t-shirt that said, “I will not accept what God has condemned” and “Homosexuality is shameful - Romans 1:27” because this violated the rights of gay and lesbian students at the school.

In 1988 “… an Austrian court acting on a complaint submitted by the Catholic diocese of Innsbruck had prohibited the Otto Preminger Institut from showing the film The Council of Love, based on Oskar Panizza’s controversial (and allegedly strongly anti-Catholic) theater play. The judges referred to article 108 of the Austrian Penal Code banning “religious denigration.” In 1994, to the profound dismay of free speech defenders, the sentence was endorsed by the European Court of Human Rights, relying on a provision of the European Convention on the “rights of others.” The ECHR has tended indeed to show far more deference to state interference in freedom of expression where the speech has a religious or moral content than is the case with political or other forms of speech.

“The Life of Brian” a Monty Python film was objected to by both Jews and Christians, and was banned in many communities in Britain.

Pepsi was forced by a boycott and protests to discontinue an ad featuring a video of Madonna singing “Like a Prayer”.

Members of the Harvest Assembly of God Church in Penn Township burned books, videos and CDs that they judged “offensive to their God.”

Christian groups across the U.S. protested a film about the life of sex researcher Alfred C. Kinsey, and sought “legislation and will punish sponsors of lewd entertainment.”

Christians in Pakistan protested what they considered “blasphemous” remarks made about Jesus in a newspaper review of the book the “Da Vinci Code”. They demanded that the newspaper be closed, for which they threatened protests outside the Lahore Press Club and other important places.

Christians in the U.S. filed lawsuits, promoted boycotts and launched campaigns aimed at restoring references to Christ in seasonal celebrations.

Hindus demanded withdrawal of a British “Christmas” postage stamp they found insulting to their religion.

45,000 complaints came in, and there were demonstrations in London when the BBC aired a program “Jerry Springer: the Opera” considered “blasphemous” by many Christians. Christian lawyers were contacted, to consider whether it was possible to prosecute the BBC under the Common Blasphemy Law, last used in 1977.

Parents at a Colorado school objected to a library book and got permission to hold a book burning.

Christians protested the change from B.C. to B.C.E. as they saw it as an attack on Christianity.

Christian groups protested a music video by Jessica Simpson that they considered indecent.

Catholic Nuns protested outside of the set for the “Da Vinci Code” film.

Christian groups protested “civil unions” for gays.

Nearly a thousand Catholics gathered and prayed in front of Santa Fe’s Museum of International Folk Art to express their outrage at an exhibit they considered blasphemous.

Catholics protested “blasphemy” in a California art display.

Currently Hindu Americans are protesting against the portrayal of Hinduism in school textbooks in California. The textbooks “call Hanuman, a god worshipped for his loyalty and protection, the “monkey king.” One exercise tells students that Hanuman loved Rama (a Hindu god) so much that some believe he appears every time the Ramayana (ancient Sanskrit epic) is read. “So look around — see any monkeys?” the passage taunts.”

A cartoon that appeared in an American newspaper using the Star of David (a symbol of Judaism, not of Zionism) in a political cartoon was objected to as being an echo of Nazism and anti-Semitic.

Two senior BBC executives, directly involved in the broadcast of “Jerry Springer: the Opera” were provided special security by the corporation following “threatening’’ calls after their telephone numbers were posted on the website of a Christian group, leading the protest. Security was also tightened at a Central London theater showing the opera.

a cartoon published in a University of Oregon student newspaper, The Insurgent, “ ... has angered students, local Catholic organizations and now involves national cable TV commentator Bill O’Reilly. Many say the cartoons in the March issue overstep the First Amendment and want university President Dave Frohnmayer to step in. The conservative O’Reilly says Frohnmayer is a coward who should be fired and that the issue is one of hate, not free speech.”

In response to an art exhibit in New Mexico that was considered blasphemous by Catholics, the Mexican Cardinal Carrera wrote: “We cannot keep silent nor be indifferent before such a monstrous attack on the religious convictions and sentiments of our Mexican people who are mostly Catholic. It seems to us to be deeply lamented that in the name of culture and freedom in your country, our culture should be attacked at its very root.”

In March 2004 over a thousand Orthodox Christians gathered in central Moscow’s Pushkin Square to protest the building of a Hare Krishna temple on the northwestern outskirts of the city. The group said that they were protesting because the Hare Krishna faith was not “traditionally Russian”. The organizers also gathered 20,000 signatures on a petition not to allow the building of the temple.
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draqon · Feb 18, 2008

S.A.M. said: ↑

Uh please, do you think anyone cares about that?

Could they expect this?
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In March 2004 over a thousand Orthodox Christians gathered in central Moscow’s Pushkin Square to protest the building of a Hare Krishna temple on the northwestern outskirts of the city. The group said that they were protesting because the Hare Krishna faith was not “traditionally Russian”. The organizers also gathered 20,000 signatures on a petition not to allow the building of the temple.
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well that's not right...Moscow already has a Muslim church as well as Jewish synagogues...so Krishna wouldn't hurt. Anyways the protest was peaceful.

I would say the muslim youth reaction is way excessive there.

S.A.M. · Feb 18, 2008

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well that's not right...Moscow already has a Muslim church as well as Jewish synagogues...so Krishna wouldn't hurt. Anyways the protest was peaceful.

I would say the muslim youth reaction is way excessive there.
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I wonder why?
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draqon · Feb 18, 2008

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I wonder why?
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ummm...no idea.
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the only thoughts coming to mind are: a) when muslim youth read Koran they misunderstood it b) muslim youth have more testosterone

S.A.M. · Feb 18, 2008

Maybe you could explain why they refused to publish cartoons lampooning Jesus but not Mohammed?

draqon · Feb 18, 2008

S.A.M. said: ↑

Maybe you could explain why they refused to publish cartoons lampooning Jesus but not Mohammed?
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wait...who refused, exactly? And what did they refuse? :bugeye:

S.A.M. · Feb 18, 2008

draqon said: ↑

wait...who refused, exactly? And what did they refuse? :bugeye:
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Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper that first published the cartoons of the prophet Muhammad that have caused a storm of protest throughout the Islamic world, refused to run drawings lampooning Jesus Christ, it has emerged today.

The Danish daily turned down the cartoons of Christ three years ago, on the grounds that they could be offensive to readers and were not funny.

In April 2003, Danish illustrator Christoffer Zieler submitted a series of unsolicited cartoons dealing with the resurrection of Christ to Jyllands-Posten.

Zieler received an email back from the paper's Sunday editor, Jens Kaiser, which said: "I don't think Jyllands-Posten's readers will enjoy the drawings. As a matter of fact, I think that they will provoke an outcry. Therefore, I will not use them."

The illustrator said: "I see the cartoons as an innocent joke, of the type that my Christian grandfather would enjoy."

"I showed them to a few pastors and they thought they were funny."

But the Jyllands-Posten editor in question, Mr Kaiser, said that the case was "ridiculous to bring forward now. It has nothing to do with the Muhammad cartoons.

"In the Muhammad drawings case, we asked the illustrators to do it. I did not ask for these cartoons. That's the difference," he said.

"The illustrator thought his cartoons were funny. I did not think so. It would offend some readers, not much but some."
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draqon · Feb 18, 2008

well for me answering hate with hate is wrong, so what muslim youth are doing is wrong and those cartoons are wrong to. However the official country view of all this should be to protect the freedom of the press, unless it evokes racial tension, religious tension, or cultural tension.

S.A.M. · Feb 18, 2008

I have no objections to the cartoons, its the hypocrisy that I cannot stand.

Don't they have religious discrimination laws in Denmark?

draqon · Feb 18, 2008

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I have no objections to the cartoons, its the hypocrisy that I cannot stand.

Don't they have religious discrimination laws in Denmark?
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it seems they don't or they don't enforce them.

otheadp · Feb 18, 2008

the Danish national guard should get creative with some Free Expression (TM) of their own

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