02-21-08, 06:29 PM #301
In all of this, I pity the Muslims who are simply trying to get on with their lives in Holland. Who are not involved and who do not support the violence. It is they who will suffer for the actions of those who resort to violence. It's a shame really.
02-21-08, 06:31 PM #302
They are also mostly completely ignored. You'll hear people screaming that the moderate Muslims should DO SOMETHING. Of course, when they do something, everyone ignores them.
Dutch Muslims Urge Calm Over Quran Film
02-21-08, 06:32 PM #303
Prevent the statues from being destroyed or a 2008 Qur'an from being destroyed?
02-21-08, 06:44 PM #304
02-21-08, 06:55 PM #305
Originally Posted by SAM
Is that a common Islamic attitude toward the products of such effort and devotion, or is it just you ?
02-21-08, 06:57 PM #306
02-21-08, 07:00 PM #307
Oh, and there is no real good reasonto pray towards Mecca? Mecca Smecca - a place is a place and a space-rock a rock.
Destroying the Kaaba is exactly the same as destroying a book by Ron Hubbard?
Is THAT what you are suggesting????
Basically your point is that THIS:
is as equally as important as THIS:
Destroying the World's OLDEST Qur'an and the Kaaba = tearing a Dienetics paper back book
Are you sure you are being honest SAM??? Destroy every Buddhist Xian Hindu Shinto temple on the planet = tearing out one page from a 2008 paper back Qur'an?
02-21-08, 07:00 PM #308
02-21-08, 07:01 PM #309
How many of these 2000 year old buddist monuments are there in afghanistan?
Your comparison is just not there.
02-21-08, 07:03 PM #310
02-21-08, 07:04 PM #311
OK, then there is no point for the Palestinians to return anywhere.
Land = Land
Good, we can all get on with life.
I find it interesting that you SAM, think that ripping a Ron Hubbard paperback in half is the same a burning the world's oldest Qur'an into dust and smashing the Kaaba - huh, go figure.
02-21-08, 07:06 PM #312
I believe the Quran and Kaaba would be as irrlevant to the Scientologist as Ron Hubbard is to me. But I already guessed from your previous argument of "mutually nonexlusive possibilities of all gods" that you have no idea what tolerance is.
02-21-08, 07:27 PM #313
Even though i can buy a million more bibles tommorow.
You cant replace history & heritage, books are replaceable,
I doubt you will ever understand that.
02-21-08, 07:28 PM #314
I have no idea what tolerance is? You have made it perfectly clear that the possibly can not even exist that your religious beleif is incorrect. I stated the exact opposite: I may be wrong and you may be correct.
I'm not sure how you are defining tolerance? The ability to exclude all other beleif system from the realm of reality?
See here: When it's something that SAM either doesn't think much about or that people claiming to be Muslims have done than we get this "To me both are equal, because both are significant only in that they are symbols which have meaning to people." - all is good. Destroying 2500 year old Buddha statues is the same a ripping a page from a 2008 Qur'an because it's all perspective. There really is no right or wrong thing here guys.
Well, why not apply this same thinking to Israel? Palestinians don't need to return anywhere as land = land. It's all just in the mind. Certainly young Palestinians who never even lived in Israel - all they have is in their mind. No claim there.
Destroying 2500 year old statues is much worse than ripping a 2008 paperback Qur'an. I think most people will agree. Except Muslims. Muslims think it's at best maybe equal (in one another's minds) and more than likely it's much much much worse to rip the Qur'an!! However, I am sure if we were to ask a Buddhist: Which is worse, Burning a 1000 year old Qur'an or smashing a 2008 Buddha statue coming off a Chinese assembly line, they'd pick the destruction of the Qur'an as being much worse.
Hmmm we're starting to see another difference here SAM??? No not really, just fit's with everything else.
02-21-08, 07:31 PM #315
Clearly, you have no idea what tolerance means.
Tolerance does not mean I accept all ideas as equal. It means it is okay to have an idea or belief different from mine. Which means that if I have a Buddhist or Scientologist as a neighbor, I will not become a Buddhist or a Scientologist, but nor will I consider it alright to smash any Buddhas or tear out any Ron Hubbard books.
I will accord him the respect I expect him to have for my beliefs.
Applied to Palestine, you will find that over 70% of Palestinians want a state that will give equal rights to all religions, while most Israelis want a Jewish state. IOW, the Palestinians are saying my land= your land.
Last edited by S.A.M.; 02-21-08 at 07:36 PM.
02-21-08, 07:36 PM #316
I mean once you make a few adjustments to your thinking it all fits.
1) Muslims are always the victims.
2) Muslims are always good and in the right.
3) If not then they are not a "real" Muslim.
4) Muslims are never ever the aggressors.
5) When being an aggressor it's actually defending the home and liberating the pagan.
6) The Qur'an is perfect (what ever the hell that means).
7) Islam is the only correct religion.
8) Mohammad must be the Last Prophet.
9) All religions before and after Islam are inherently flawed
10) As you can see Muslims are paradigm tolerance. (Why in the world everyone from Chinese to Hindu to Thai to Dutch can't seem to get along is Ooo yeah see #1.)
Pretty much follow this key round and round and everything makes perfect sense in the world - especially on Sciforums.
02-21-08, 07:38 PM #317
I think its a mental defect resulting from not being born in the East
To me its very clear and obvious but you just cannot seem to get it.
02-21-08, 07:40 PM #318
Which is more tolerant?
To say hello to your neighbor while at the same time teaching your children your nice neighbors beliefs must be wrong.
To say hello to your neighbor while at the same time teaching your children your nice neighbors beliefs may be wrong - but they may also be right.
02-21-08, 07:40 PM #319
02-21-08, 07:42 PM #320
Why is it that Hindu, Thai, Europeans, Chinese, Phillipeans, Spanish, Dutch etc.. etc.. etc.. etc..... have a problem with Muslims living in or near their country? Just one big conspiracy?
It seems the only people that really feel modern Islam is peaceful are Muslims?
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